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Closing Patients – Helpful or Destructive?

CF 088: Closing Patients – Helpful or Destructive?

Today we’re going to talk about what closing patients in chiropractic is, we’ll talk about where it comes from, and we’ll talk about if it’s a positive or a negative. Plenty here to be provocative I must admit. Listen up and then make up your own mind. 

But first, here’s that oh how sweet it is bumper music

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OK, we are back with some important information to make you better which makes your patients better. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have collapsed into Episode #88

No research today. Only Opinion. I didn’t even include any sponsors in this episode because it might be seen as controversial to an extent and, if there’s some sort of uproar, I don’t want them in the crossfire. Now….

I believe the business of being trusted and an authority of sorts is to be objective. Regular listeners have heard me talk about the medical realm and failed surgeries, etc. I state over and over that I am a chiropractic advocate. 

I am an advocate. Just listen to all 87 previous episodes and you will clearly see where I stand on the big stuff. BUT, if we do not have the ability or the honesty to police our own, then we’ll never be able to pull out of red-headed step-child status. 

We will forever be ridiculed and mocked. And that’s because the bad apples spoil the whole basket. 

It’s been a while since I’ve been able to just do a brain dump on a certain topic. I think the last time I did that was back when I talked about religion being brought into chiropractic.

I’ve been seeing more and more terminology like this lately and it’s time to address it and meet it head on. 

Let’s get something perfectly straight here: I’m about to piss some people off. Let’s also be clear on the fact that I’m already pissed off so I don’t give a damn if I do. I have been for a while. It’s been stewing and simmering and, after a while, it’s time to talk about it. 

Hell that’s the whole point of having a podcast. Promote what I agree with and find value in and spotlight cockroaches when I identify them. Having a platform to sound off on has been so cathartic. You have no idea. It helps in so many ways. It’s probably why I don’t have to go to therapy. 

As I have said, I am seeing the term ‘closing patients’ more and more and you know what? I’m mostly seeing it from wannabe gurus that aren’t even freaking chiropractors!!! They are trained at spouting their horns and touting their skills but never bought in enough to actually be a chiropractor. No, they just prey on chiropractors. 

Does that register? Closing patients! They’re fine with the term closing and the idea because it’s not their profession, their profession is marketing, so what the hell do they care if they trash the profession and whatever reputation we have scratched out? As long as they continue to fool well-meaning chiropractors into paying them, they don’t give one single damn what it takes.

As I said, the real unfortunate thing is that they go around jazzing up actual real chiropractors to the point that now many chiropractor actually think closing patients is a good and an acceptable idea.

Here’s the thing: it’s black and white. There’s good and there’s evil. There’s right and there’s wrong. Closing patients is straight up 100% wrong. And in my opinion, borderline evil.

I posted on our private Chiropractic Forward Facebook group the other day asking for opinions on closing patients. Good, bad, pros, cons, etc.… I value our tribe and their wisdom.

For a more general opinion, I asked in the Chiropractic Facebook group. That’s what it’s called…..just Chiropractic. You’ll find birds of all feathers in there so I figured I’d get some crazy answers and some in the middle answers. 

I really didn’t though. It seems that most, if not all, were essentially against the idea of closing patients.

Here’s what I got. Some that I highly respect say that if you’re NOT giving good solid recommendations and the telling them what it costs, then you’re not doing your job. 

One colleague wrote that patients want a doctor. Not a friend. Damn straight.

On this, all of us absolutely agree. 

Although a report of findings and recommendations and a financial talk could be viewed as closing patients,  that’s not necessarily what I mean when I refer to closing patietns. Not in my mind anyway. 

Being a doctor certainly comes with the responsibility of telling patients what you think is wrong, what you think they should do to fix it, and how much that would cost. That’s just being an ethical professional regardless of what business we are working in. 

I’m talking about manipulation of information and manipulation of emotions to get a desired effect that benefits the practice more than it benefits the patient. That’s what I’m talking about.

There was a reason I never really got down a good report of findings. It’s because I never felt comfortable with it. It never felt right because it wasn’t me. So I just went to what felt right. That doesn’t mean those of you that are good at a report of finding are doing something bad. I’m referring to a closing patients sort of ROF that I was once force fed. That’s what I’m talking about. 

What felt right was telling patients what I think, what I recommend, asking them if they have questions, and then getting started. It’s pretty damn simple honestly and I have more patients and business than I can handle. 

To tell me that my only way to succeed is to learn tactics and manipulation, we just have to disagree. Our values are not in alignment. Adjust that won’t you? 

I heard one guru say that our job is to identify or uncover what the patient’s pain is keeping them from doing or accomplishing and then leveraging that information against them by focusing on that shortfall in order to make a sale. To get a desired outcome.

Really? That’s what my job is? Are you sure? Because I thought it was to give my patients the very best recommendations that I can based on education and experience and then be there to help and guide them regardless. All these years and I was getting it wrong. All I needed was this 20 something person to help me get it right. Insert eye roll. 

When closing patients in chiropractic, he says we NEED to be focused on it. For example, if a patient comes to us with back pain, that’s not what we need to focus and work them over about. No….we should be working them over about what the back pain keeps them from doing…..THAT’s what they really care about so THAT’S what we pounce on like a grizzly on a salmon.

So, uncovering the ‘pain point’ of a patient just isn’t something I think smart, capable, educated doctors should be concerning themselves with. It’s called morals and ethics. 

They act like being unethical builds the fat wallets so that the fat wallets can further chiropractic. So…..I don’t want that kind of chiropractic being furthered. At all. Not a millimeter. Ever. I want it to die and go away never to be heard from again. 

A previous guest on our podcast, Dr. David Graber up in New Jersey is literally one of the smartest people I know and he had this to say about it, 

“When the Chiropractic profession started relying on business and sales techniques for practice building they did use approaches to ” close the sale” of care to patients. 

It’s a transaction- based approach with a winner and a loser. It’s positioned the doctor-patient relationship as a competition or Confrontation. This became especially prominent with long-term care and prepayments plans.

The alternative is open the relationship rather than close the sale, because there’s nothing to sell. A report of findings now is exactly that, a report of findings and options given. Respect for the patient’s autonomy in decision-making and service over sales. It’s becoming a partner not a competitor with our patients.”

He’s so damned smart. I wish I could have the eloquence to put things the way he does. He makes it look easy. 

What he’s talking about is being patient-centered, not doctor-centered. That’s really the whole point of the whole damn episode I think. Being a partner with our patients is being patient-centered. Not dominating them through whatever means necessary.

If you think some chiropractors’ shenanigans aren’t making it online? You’re crazy. People are posting it everywhere. Names, dates, events, quoting the doctors word for word. Things don’t happen in a vaccuum anymore in the year 2019. 

Here are a couple of stories I found on the interwebs while researching this episode about closing patients. 

This first one is an experience a woman had when she visited the chiropractor. Luckily, she didn’t swear off chiropractors completely after the experience but who could have blamed her if she did?

She preframed this sucker as a cautionary tale to all those who are easily persuaded by emotional sales pitches. She went to a fair and got on one of those spine check doohickeys that checks balance from one side to the other and high shoulders and all that crap. 

The lady told he she was carrying 9 more pounds of weight on one side of the body than the other and her head is 2 inches too far forward and one shoulder is higher causing her head to tilt the other way to compensate. 

All of the sudden, a care-free girl out shopping at the town fair who stopped to have her spine checked for a little fun change-up in her daily routines is thinking, “Oh damn…this sounds awful.”

No worries though, the chiro office offered her a $20 preliminary screening at the center to include 2 x-rays, a spinal exam, a foot screening….the whole shubang, for $20. Awesome. Way to value your services random chiropractor screening at a town fair that has nothing to do with health.

Luckily for this lady, her husband smelled a skunk.  

She went to the appointment, paper work, intial intake with the staff, and then the chiropractor arrives. She asked if she could do a few more exams of the spine. Following this exam, she said in a grave voice that she has some serious concerns about the neck and spine. 

IN FACT, she would like to take two more x-rays than scheduled in order to check out a few other things. She reassured me that I wouldn’t need to pay for these x-rays — they would just send the bill to my insurance, and if insurance wouldn’t cover it, they would eat the cost. 

The patient thought WOW, they must really care about the well-being of their patients to take this financial risk! 

Then, sent home with a follow-up appointment scheduled. Not before the chiro reminder her how urgent it is for her to come back and get treatment started as soon as possible. Makes me want to pull what is left of my hair out of my head. 

She left that first appointment sincerely afraid that there was something seriously wrong that only chiropractic was able to fix. She was leaving that first appointment basically in tears. She didn’t sleep at all that night. She was thinking, “What if I lay with my hnead at the wrong angle….would that make her neck even more crooked?”

Follow up appointment, seated in an education room when whe underwent a lesson in the philosophy of chiropractic. They told her that by the time we feel pain, our bodies are down to 40% health which means that if we feel healthy, we really aren’t. Holy guacamole. Crap fire and just save the damn matches won’t you?

All of our illnesses come down to subluxation which only chiropractic has the answer for, blah blah blah.

Then the x-rays. These are her exact words, “First we looked at the before and after x-rays of people whose lives and health were transformed at the Wellness Center. 

Next we compared *healthy* spines (people who have regular readjustments) with *unhealthy* spines (people who just don’t care about their health and don’t want to live past 65). 

Finally, we looked at the x-rays of a few tragic people who did not get the treatment they needed and whose spines were COMPLETELY COMPACTED. Dr. Amy then asked if I was ready to go look at my films — and I responded by bursting into tears.

She goes on, “When I saw my x-rays, my first thought was, “Wow, it’s not as bad as I thought! My spine doesn’t look like a 70-year-old!” But still lurking was the shadow of what might be — the ghost of future spines, if you will — if I didn’t pursue a full chiropractic treatment plan. 

Dr. Amy and I talked through my x-rays, and I learned that my spine is only at stage one degeneration (something they NEVER see in a 28-year-old!) — in other words, still terrible, but treatable. 

By this time she was fully convinced that 

  1. I needed chiropractic care, 
  2. it should start right away, 
  3. this Wellness Center should be the one to offer this care, and 
  4. it would save my life.

Guess what she got….you just guess! That’s right, she got a 12-week treatment plan, 3 visits a week for the low low basement bargain price of $2,800. 

The office, because they’re so giving and kind and genuinely caring offered her an 18-month payment plan at $140/month. For treatment she didn’t even need in the first damn place!!

Remember, even if you don’t hurt, you’re still sick? Good Lord jumpin’ jehovah. The lady told the doc that she needed to run it by her hubs before signing a contract. Like a contract belongs in healthcare in the first place but whatever. It’s outlawed now. At least in Texas. 

Anyway, the doc told her to come back the next day with her husband so that he could get a free screening with x-rays as well. Lol. These people. The hubs wasn’t buying it. She couldn’t believer her husband wasn’t more concerned that she was 28 years old and already had stage I degeneration of her spine!

He talked her down, she went and finally did some of her own research, and realized she had took a big swig of the snake oil. 

Yes, of course chiropractic could have helped her with her neck that had been a bit sore recently. Yes, a chiropractor’s office was exactly where she belonged. But no, not in an office like that where she was manipulated emotionally and almost financially. 

Here’s a lovely ditty about one of those beloved ‘free dinners with the doc.” Ugh. That’s a whole different episode, isn’t it?

Anyway, here’s what happened. the first thing is that the flyer advertising all but hid the fact that a chiropractor was the presenter. 

Quoted in this article was Robert Puleo of the California Board of Chiropractic Examiners. He said, ““It reeks of snake oil. There are some chiropractors out there who want to make a buck any way they can.” And: “The chiropractor holding such seminars tries to sign people up for months of office visits that can cost thousands of dollars.”

Ummm….yes. Exactly. You think chiropractors keep buying dinner because they’re nice people? Hell no. They’re trying to scare people into a close and a sale. 

The attendee to the dinner mentioned in the article said it consisted of four parts:

  1. Trust building – that’s where the presenter talks about their education and why they’re super double awesome and should be trusted. Can I just say that I immediately do not trust someone giving a free meal to prospective targets? I just don’t. Regardless of education. 
  2. Medicine bashing – This is where they talk about the inefficiency and poor quality of the US healthcare system. You all know the dance. I know that waltz myself. I can tell you all kinds of numbers and frame out the inefficiencies in a bunch of different ways. When it’s there, it’s there and I don’t mind that dance because they don’t mind bashing on chiropractors all of the time. 
  3. The product being sold – he was selling some laser therapy for neuropathy. The same stuff I believe that I just saw where an LA doc was on TV being accused of selling stuff that doesn’t work. Guess what? That dude was selling at a free dinner as well. I just never wanted to be a salesman. I just wanted to be a doctor and help people. Maybe I’m crazy. 
  4. Recommending consultations – Basically come see me at the office for $29 so I can sell you on thousands. Whne the attendee asked how much the laser service costs, he was told, “Oh, the doctor sets that amount.” So…..you can’t just tell me the cost? And…is there a dual fee schedule? Like, the doctor sets different costs? Because it it’s not a dual fee schedule, then the price is already set and, in that case, you should be able to simply tell me the price. Right?

I guess being upfront, transparent, and honest doesn’t quite fit into the dessert menu does it?

Last thing I’ll touch on is the RELIGIOUS ROF – For a more extensive exploration of this, listen to episode #61 of this podcast. It covers it at length but, in short, I’m a Christian so let’s not think I’m an atheist bashing on Christians. That would be a biased discussion wouldn’t it?

This is a non-biased discussion about it so settle down fellow Christians. 

Here is a script from a management company that uses or used a person’s faith against them to close a sale, ““Mary, I’m concerned. I’m really concerned about you. When you don’t continue your plan to remove the subluxations that are interfering with God’s life force allowing it to innately flow from above down through your body in order to heal you, you’re not allowing God to do his part and heal your body. I understand that it’s hard getting here…but I have an opening at 5:30 tonight so we’ll see you then and let’s get you that life-saving adjustment tonight ok?”

You can’t make it up and, as a Christian, I find it dissappointing to say the very least that a fellow Christian would think this sort of manipulation and sales tactics is permissable in any way, shape, form, or fashion. 

It’s just awful. All for the sake of closing a sale. Are we really that desperate? Obviously some at least think they are and maybe there’s no other way to make money. 

You want to know how to build a company? How to build trust in a brand? I’ll share it right here. Instead of the religious manipulation script I just read, say this:

“Mary, I’d never try to tell someone how to spend their money or how to take care of themselves because that’s none of my business. My job is to tell you what I think would be the best for you based on the idea that you live right next door and have no travel concerns, and you have all of the time and money in the world. What would I think would be best for you? Then there’s reality and my job is to be here for you however you want to use me. We don’t hassle our patients about their recommendations. Just do me a favor if you can’t do what I recommend, don’t tell people that chiropractic didn’t work. OK? Tell them you weren’t able to do what the chiropractor recommended. Is that fair?”

See how simple it is?

Look, we all want to get rich while we help change the lives of our patients. But where does the switch happen where it’s OK to work patients to the point of emotional breakdown just so that they’ll sign up for countless visits over the course of a year or more? How does that switch go from being a new doc excited to work with the population into a manipulative street corner huckster schooled in the art of emotional manipulation? 

How does that moral compass get swapped approximately 180 degrees to the point that money is more important than superior patient care? And….reputation. I would argue that your reputation absolutely precedes you. Especially the smaller the town or area that you practice. 

One of my very respected colleagues, Dr. Gregg Friedman, who also happens to be a nationally known speaker, shared this thought with me when I asked about closing, “Closing a patient” looks like a sales technique and makes me want to puke. It does not create a positive image of chiropractic in the minds of the public we strive to serve. Just my opinion.” Spot on, nailed it. 

There are about 45 chiropractors in my area give or take. I know how about 80% of them practice because patients tell me. I’ll bet about 80% of those chiropractors know how I practice. For better or worse. I say worse because they only see my failures and I only see theirs. BUT….we still have a general idea of who the chiros in our area are, how they practice, and if they’re reputable. 

Basically, would you send you brother, sister, or mom to them? How about your child? If you’d send your family member to yourself, maybe you’re in a good spot. I can’t answer that. If you have systems set in place that manipulate information, manipulate a patient’s emotions, and manipulate words to make the practice a lot of money……and you’d still send you kid to that…..we need to talk. 

Let’s dive in a little bit more. Now, those of you that use this, and firmly believe in it, are going to be pissed right now. 

“Who the hell is this guy, what make him think he can question this or that, blah blah blah?”. I’ll tell you who I am. Nobody particularly special is who I am. In many ways I’m no smarter than the people that use some of this stuff. In some ways I am. 

I’m a bit of a research nerd – a dude with what I like to hope is an EDUCATED opinion and I’m a dude with an opinion that just happens to have figured out how to record and air podcasts, build a crowd, and talk about his opinions. That’s all. If you don’t like my opinion, go get your own podcast and crowd, go figure that out and talk about what’s important to you. 

There are already lots of them out there. Go call your company something like Chiro Closers, hustling chiros, chiro shrimp, or cervical correction academy specialist association or whatever the hell you can come up with that gets attention, or sounds important. Hell, I have half a mind to buy the domain www.chiroclosersareus.com and just have a landing page that says, 

“Hey, welcome…I’m not selling you anything. I just want you to know that closing people in healthcare is not patient-centered, it’s not quality care, it’s not being the doctor that you are, and you can be just as successful if you be the doctor, diagnose well, make good responsible recommendations for care, be a partner with your patient in their recovery, be sincere, really really care about them, and then be there however they decide they want to use you.”

Bam….secret to success nugget. 

Right there. If you didn’t listen or zoned off, rewind that about 15 seconds. You don’t have to buy it packaged up a million different ways from wannabe gurus. It’s really so so simple folks.

Back to the point: One of the most common reasons for big money, long-term plans I hear from patients when we’re talking about their previous chiropractor was that they saw an x-ray of their neck and it was straight. And to get that curve back, it was going to take 65 visits over 14 months at a cost of $4,500 (I’m making those numbers up but you get the point). All to get that curve back. 

Now, can we be honest a sec? You can go tell me to jump in the river. You can tell me I’m only about treating pain..and you’d have a fair point… You can call me a medipractor. You can call me whatever names you like but be serious, thoughtful, and maybe even non-philosophical for a minute. 

I believe, and my experience suggests, that a straighter curve is a consequence of simply being alive for a whole bunch of years. I believe that not having a curve when a patient is 50 years old is NOT going to impact their lives so much that they need to pay me as much as a surgical co-pay would be for surgery? What if I improve the curve a few degrees? Is it really that big of a deal that made that big of a difference?

The ONLY research I’ve seen on straight necks that made much sense was more recent. We covered it here on the podcast. It said it may lead to some degeneration of I believe it was C6/7 but, overall, impact of it was minimal. 

Other research you may have seen on this may come from other gurus that have conducted their own research. 

How nice is it to be able to say you conduct your own research, not have it peer reviewed or published in any respected journals, and then say it backs up your method so that people buy your products? That’s nice. Funny how that stuff works right? And so convenient. 

THAT’S what I mean by manipulating information. 

Let’s re-visit the title of this episode. Just repeat it a time or two. Closing patients. Let’s add a couple of words. Closing patients on care.

For me, that’s an oxymoron. If you care, are you going to manipulate patients with words and emotions? The correct answer is hell no you’re not.

Put yourself in the patient’s place real quick. 

Do you, in a healthcare setting, EVER wish to be closed? Other than an incision of course…. as my good friend Dr. Tyce Hergert in Southlake, TX says. Lol. 

The answer is no. At least I sure as hell don’t want to be closed. Not under the fear of losing my ability to function 30 years in the future. Not under a fear like that that no research I’ve ever seen can back up. 

As mentioned above, you want to be told what is wrong, you want to know how to fix it, and you want to know how much that costs. You might be interested in any other treatment options as well. You might want to know if you could just undergo a trial period of treatment first to see how you respond to care before deciding on anything else.

ALL OF THOSE should be on the table and your patient should know that, at the end of the day, your job is to be the doctor and give them your best recommendations while also understanding that you are there to help them to the best of your ability regardless of what they decide. 

Again, we should be our patients’ partners, not their boss, not dominating them, not running the show regardless. 

In the end, remember the three pillars of a patient-centered, evidence-informed practice. They are of course, 1) the best external evidence, 2) individual clinical expertise, and 3) get this…..pay attention….patient values and expectations. 

Not the doctors values and expectations. 

Key Takeaways: be a partner with your patients. Do not be a domineering, street corner snake oil salesman. Please. Those that do this give all of us a bad reputation. I have gone through the DACO diplomate program. Countless chiropractors around the globe highly educate themselves and take great pride in the results they can get for their patients. 

When you go about business like we’ve been discussing here, you discredit all of us almost immediately in the minds of those patients. Who then turn around and tell their family and friends and then go and post it on their blogs or tell a TV reporter about it who then tells everyone in the world in one way or another. 

Cut your crap. Enough is enough. 

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I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

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Sports Performance / Chiropractic Care Standardization / Proprioception

CF 086: Sports Performance / Chiropractic Care Standardization / Proprioception 

Today we’re going to talk about Sports Performance / Chiropractic Care Standardization / Proprioception 

But first, here’s that arm like a big fuzzy coat bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

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Go visit GoChiroMedia.com to check out the demo reels and get started on your free trial. Take your practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Personal Happenings

I always feel that, if I share personal experiences with you guys, first you’ll know me as a person better and I don’t see anything wrong with that. Second, you may identify and sympathize. Third, if you can’t necessarily identify with what I go through, you may be able to learn from it if you get to that point. 

With that I’ll say that 2019 has been quite the year for us around my office. New faces, lots of new patients, and less and less time to do things outside of seeing patients. My work/life balance is out of balance at the moment and I’m afraid my health is starting to show some dents in the armor. 

I think I have an undiagnosed anxiety thing and, typically, I’m very good at managing anxiety and stress and having 4 or 5 balls up in the air at the same time. I’m a juggler people. And I have been for quite a long time. 

But, in January, something clicked. Something changed. I don’t say this to brag. I say this to explain. My practice numbers just started to climb during a time that we are traditionally slow. Really slow. The holidays are usually a time when you just know you’re going to have extra time to catch up on all of those things that have been piling up in front of you. Back to school time as well right? It’s always been a down time for me for one reason or another. 

Yeah, well, not this year. The holidays only got busier. Much busier. The kids go back to school in two weeks and there’s been no slow down this Summer. Which is awesome. But my problem is, I don’t know what I did to cause the influx. If I knew, you better believe I’d be repeating it!! Over and over and over. 

The end story is, growing is great but growing can be stressful. That’s why they call it growing pains right? Think about it: how many staff member do I need to handle the patient load? Am I over staffed or understaffed? Do I need an associate? Which one is the right one? Will they take care of things like it’s their own and they care? Where do I get good contract for one? I have a bathroom that needs tiled and I have an Air conditioner that need’s replaced. My dog pissed on the carpet this morning. Blah blah blah. 

You all know how it goes. Every aspect of practice has stressors. When you’re new in practice and don’t have a heavy load, you’re sitting looking at your watch, playing on the computer, hopegully you’re out marketing, and you’re stressed about how you’re going to provide for your family. 

I’m aware that being too busy is a nice problem to have. I don’t want to come off as a spoiled brat here. I’m just saying that I have been stressed and it’s starting to affect me a bit. We have been blessed and we are going to take blessings and we are going to turn them into more blessings for us and for our patients and staff. 

It’s just getting through some of the mud and muck along the way. I just need to keep my anxiety under the surface a little longer. Lol. So that nobody thinks I’m insane. 

I’ve fooled them this long haven’t I?

On another note, Charlie Manson. Y’all, I was fascinated by their shenanigans when I was in high school but got over it. Every now and then I’ll see something about it and I’ll perk up and listen but I went to see the new movie Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. 

I’ve been seeing where some hate it and some love it and I’ve seen a bunch of ehhh comments but I gotta tell you. I’m firmly in the hell yeah category. Brad Pitt and Leo DiCaprio knocked that sucker straight out of the parking out onto the parking lot. It was funny, it was vintage, it was nostalgic, and no…..of course it didn’t happen that way but it was excellent. 

If you went, shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com and tell me what you thought. I can share you thoughts next week on the podcast. Or you can get on our Facebook page or our private Facebook group and we can discuss. 

Item #1

Let’s get to our first item here. It’s titled “The effects of spinal manipulation on performance-related outcomes in healthy asymptomatic adult population: a systematic review of best evidence” and written by Meliss Corso, Silvan Mior, Satrah Batley, et. al. It was published in BMC Chiropractic and Manual Therapies in June 2019. Brand new…..hot stuff people. (Corso M 2019)

Why They Did It

The authors wanted to perform a systematic review regarding the effect spinal manipulative therapy has on athletic performance in asymptomatic adults. 

What They Found

They concluded “The preponderance of evidence suggests that SMT in comparison to sham or other interventions does not enhance performance-based outcomes in asymptomatic adult population. All studies are exploratory with immediate effects. In the few studies suggesting a positive immediate effect, the importance of such change is uncertain. Further high-quality performance specific studies are required to confirm these preliminary findings.”

That doesn’t mean we can’t help with pain and discomfort which aids in better performance. But it does suggest that, if a person feels great, getting spinal manipulative therapy isn’t very likely to make any difference in how fast they are or how far they can throw. 

Item #2

This one is called “The Chiropractic Hospital-Based Interventions Research Outcomes Study: Consistency of Outcomes Between Doctors of Chiropractic Treating Patients With Acute Lower Back Pain” by JA Quan, et. al and was published in the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics in June 2015 so 4 years old. (Quon JA 2015)

Why They Did It

The aim of this study was to determine if effectiveness differs between community-based doctors of chiropractic administering standardized evidence-based care that includes high-velocity low-amplitude spinal manipulative therapy (SMT) for acute low back pain (LBP).

How They Did It

  • A secondary analysis of randomized controlled trial and observational pilot study data was performed with nonrandom allocation to 4 DCs. 
  • Patients included those with Quebec Task Force categories less than or equal to 2 and acute LBP of 2 to 4 weeks’ duration. 
  • The intervention included high-velocity low-amplitude SMT. 
  • Outcomes assessed using Roland Disability Questionnaire (RDQ) at 24 weeks. 

What They Found

The findings of this study show that regardless of the treating DC, most patients with acute LBP without radiculopathy appear to experience consistent levels of improvement in terms of BP and general PF after receiving guidelines-based treatment that include s a component of standardized HVLA SMT.

If we dive into the paper, they mention that until now, inconcsistency hasn’t been regarded as a significant barrier to chiropractors getting referrals from the medical realm. Butthere are guarded attitudeds about chiropractors when we’re talking about quality of care and that’s been confirmed in other papers. 

In fact, in a survey of 487 Canadian and American orhtopedic surgeons, they found that about 71% of them held either a neutral or a negative view of chiropractors. That means only 29% of them looked at us in a positive way. 29%. Dammit

Also, when you break down that 71% of neutral or negative….you get 26% were neutral but 45% were in the negative category. Dammit. 

73% of orthopedic surgeons thought chiropractors provided unnecessary treatment. Yeah, they’d probably just do better if you intubated them, knocked them completely out, and drove screws through the bones of their spine to fixate the segments on top of each other and then sewed them back up, and then sent them home with a bunch of pills. That’d probably be much more necessary. Sure thing chief. 

Hell, 52% of them thought chiropractors make their patients dependent on short-term relief. I will say that it feels good to feel good and why wouldn’t a patient want to feel good as often as they can? But putting the shoe on the other foot here, let’s assume they’re right, isn’t being addicted to safe, conservative, non-invasive treatment better than being addicted to opioids or some sort of medication? Our nation’s opioid crisis suggests it is better. 

The paper itself is really a preliminary study and meant to further knowledge and information for other papers down the line but I found it more interesting because of the orthopedic survey discussion. Pretty interesting. And….disappointing I’d add but that was 4 years ago. Maybe those numbers are changed a bit from then to now? Not sure. 

This is a great spot to take a short break to talk about ChiroUp. If you’re a regular listener of our podcast, you I use it and I’ve told everyone how amazing it is since about June of 2018. Well now they’re a sponsor of our show and we are really excited to have ChiroUp on board the train. 

Have you heard about the #1 online resource for chiropractors? Well, let me tell you about it. 

ChiroUp is changing the way we practice by simplifying patient education and here’s what I mean: 

In a matter of seconds, you can send condition-specific reports to your patients with recommendations for treatment, for their activities of daily living, & for their exercises. 

You can see how this saves you time – no more explaining & re-explaining your patient’s care, because they have access to it at their fingertips. 

You can be confident that your patients are getting the best possible care, because the reports are populated based on what the literature recommends and isn’t that re-assuring? All of that work has been done FOR you. 

There are more than 1000 providers worldwide using ChiroUp to empower their treatments, patients, & practice – Including myself! **Short testimony**

If you don’t know what it’s all about or you’d like to check it out, do yourself a favor and go to Chiroup.com today to get started with your FREE TRIAL – Use code Williams99 to pay only $99/month for your first 6 months

That’s ChiroUp.com and super double secret code Williams99

I’m trying to save you people some money here alright?Trust me, you’re not going wrong with ChiroUp. In fact, in studying for the Diplomate of the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists part two exam, I’m studying the orthopedic tests and videos from the ChiroUp website. It’s phenomenal. 

Anyway, on to Item #3

It’s called “Neck proprioception compensates for age-related deterioration of vestibular self-motion perception” by G Schweigart, RD Chien, and T. Mergner. It was published in Experimental Brain Research all the way back in 2002. Bringing the old man out of the archives here. (Schweigart G 2002)

Why They Did It

Vestibular functions are known to show some deterioration with age. Vestibular deterioration is often thought to be compensated for by an increase in neck proprioceptive gain. That’s what the authors were studying here….. this presumed compensatory mechanism.

What They Found

Generally, we hold that the transformation of the vestibular signal from the head down to the trunk proceeds further to include the hip and the legs as well as the haptically perceived body support surface; by this, subjects yield a notion of support kinematics in space. 

As a consequence, spatial orientation is impaired by chronic vestibular deterioration only to the extent that the body support is moving in space, while it is unimpaired (determined by proprioception alone) during body motion with respect to a stationary support.

Just to add a little sidebar here: did you know that muscle spindles are our motion detectors? Think about this. There are 16 muscle spindles per gram of muscle in our fingers. Our hands and fingers are highly sensitive with regard to proprioception arent they? Think of a musician playing with their eyes closed. 

You know exactly where your fingers are without looking at them or really even thinking about them. How about typing? You don’t look right?

Now, we only have about 2 muscle spindles per gram of muscle in the traps. Which makes sense. Why do we proprioceptively need to know where our traps are? They’re attached to our axial skeleton. They’re not going anywhere. They’re not out flapping in the wind like our hands right?

Here’s the weird deal though: in our deeper cervical muscles, we have 242 muscle spindles per gram of muscle. That IS our axial skeleton basically so why so many spindles? There’s no flapping out in the wind with the upper cervical muscles either. But, it is the connection between our head and the rest of our body. 

It is to the point that anatomists look at the upper cervical muscles as more of a proprioceptive organ rather than as simply muscles. 

Our three proprioceptive inputs are the eys, the vestibular organ, and the muscles of the upper cervical area. When you do a Romberg’s test and you remove proprioceptive input from the eyes, and the vestibular organ….., part of what you are measuring is the input from the upper cervical region. 

It’s fascinating. Absolutely fascinating when you dive off into it a bit and I encourage to do so.  

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

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We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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Dr. Jeff Williams – Chiropractor in Amarillo, TX, Chiropractic Advocate, Author, Entrepreneur, Educator, Businessman, Marketer, and Healthcare Blogger & VloggerBibliography

Corso M, M. S., Batley S, (2019). “The effects of spinal manipulation on performance-related outcomes in healthy asymptomatic adult population: a systematic review of best evidence.” BMC Chiro Man Ther 27(25).

Quon JA (2015). “The Chiropractic Hospital-Based Interventions Research Outcomes Study: Consistency of Outcomes Between Doctors of Chiropractic Treating Patients With Acute Lower Back Pain.” J Man Physiol Ther 38(5): 311-323.

Schweigart G, C. R., Mergner T, (2002). “Neck proprioception compensates for age-related deterioration of vestibular self-motion perception.” Exp Brain Res 147(1): 89-97.

Highly Paid Drug Dealers, Keto Diet News, Axial Traction, Stroke Research

CF 085: Highly Paid Drug Dealers, Keto Diet News, Axial Traction, Stroke Research

Today we’re going to talk about Highly Paid Drug Dealers, Keto Diet News, Axial Traction, Stroke Research

But first, here’s that cool like a velvet Elvis bumper music

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K, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have tip toed into Episode #85

Man, we have a show for you today. I’m still cleaning out some archives. Some papers that have been building up while we have been having guests. Some great guests that we have had more recently have been Dr. Anthony Nicholson from Australia who plays such a big part in the DACO program. The guy is a genius and eveyrone in our profession should know about him. We talked about decoding chronic pain just a few weeks ago so listen. What are you waiting for?

Then we had the chiropractor for Florida State, Dr. John Van Tassel and he is just a wise, accomplished, mentor that you need to go and hear what he has to say. Again, what are you waiting for? Go now!

Speaking of the DACO, I went to Dallas, I drove to the University of Texas in Arlington, TX …..that’s between Dallas and Ft. Worth for you out-of-towners…and I sat in a little cublicle next to some college kid with a bad case of the sniffles and I took my part one exam toward getting my Diplomate of the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists. 

I had heard from several sources that it was a hard test and that there really was no way in particular to prepare for the test because it is literally all over the map. And my sources did not tell any fibs people. 

There were the most random, crazy questions on that thing. Things I’d never think to study because we didn’t learn them but, it seems my guessing picker was in order on that day because I passed. Or….they took pity on my and passed me because I’m a swell dude. Either way, I passed. 

Don’t let my experience with this test dissuade you from going through the DACO by the way. The test is being changed and updated for the next round and I suspect it will be more relevant to the course teachings. That’s my guess anyway. 

So, now it’s on to part two in November.  I am taking a two-week break from studying and then I’ll dive back into that rigamarole.  

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Introduction

Let’s get on to the research shall we?

Item #1

Our first paper here is one  from NPR called “Opioid-Maker Insys Admits To Bribing Doctors, Agrees To Pay $225 Million Settlement” and was published in June of 2019. The title leads us….you know where it’s going. (Emanuel G 2019)

Insys Therapeutics, an opioid manufacturer, has agreed to pay $225 million to settle the federal government’s criminal and civil investigations into the company’s marketing practices. As part of the settlement, Insys Therapeutics admitted to bribing doctors to prescribe its opioid painkiller.” Oh my….do tell!

The courts proved that the company set up a fake “speaker program.” The doctors involved were not paid to give speeches, but were paid to write prescriptions of the company’s fentanyl-based medication called Subsys. 

And, you guessed it…..many times the painkiller was prescribed to patients who did not need it.

The founder of Insys Therapeutics, John Kapoor, is among the highest ranking pharmaceutical executives to be convicted amid the opioid epidemic. Sentencing of the former billionaire is scheduled for September.

Highest paid drug dealers in the world right there. 

Item #2 is called “Changes in Spinal Height After Manual Axial Traction or Side Lying: A Clinical Measure of Intervertebral Disc Hydration Using Stadiometry” by Dylan Rubinic, a physical therapist. It was published in the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics in the March/April 2019. Hot stuff right here. (Rubinic D 2019)

Why They Did It

The authors were trying to figure out what effects axial traction have on someone compared to side lying when it comes to increased spine height after sustained loading. 

How They Did It

21 patients with no symptoms were used. 

They either had traction force for 2 rounds of 3 minutes

Or they had sustained side lying for 10 minutes

Spine height was measured with a stadiometer. 

What They Found

There was a significant increase in the height after both manual therapy AND sustained side lying. Well what the hell does that tell us then?

Wrap It Up

This was a preliminary paper to set the stage for futre papers but it’s interesting. They say, “Both manual axial traction force and sustained side-lying position were equally effective for short-term change in spine height after a loaded walking protocol among healthy asymptomatic individuals.” So does that mean that traction is no good? I don’t see that at all here. I say there was little to no difference in asymptomatic, healthy spines when done for three minutes. 

That’s all I see. What about compressed, degenerated, or dehydrated discs with annular fissures and without annular fissures with associate radiculopathy and without associated radiculopathy…..and and and and and. 

Lots of stuff to look at but at least they’re looking at it and I look forward to finding out where it all goes. 

Item #3

Keto diets. The current big thing. Item #3 is called “The Ketogenic Diet for Obesity and Diabetes—Enthusiasm Outpaces Evidence” by Shivam Joshi, MD, Robert Ostfeld, MD, and Michelle McMacken, MD and was published in JAMA Internal Medicine on July 15 2019. Brand spankin new people. (Joshi S 2019)

Before we dive into Keto Diets, let’s take a sec to talk about ChiroUp.

Have you heard about the #1 online resource for chiropractors? Well, let me tell you about it. 

ChiroUp is changing the way we practice by simplifying patient education and here’s what I mean: 

In a matter of seconds, you can send condition-specific reports to your patients with recommendations for treatment, for their activities of daily living, & for their exercises. 

You can see how this saves you time – no more explaining & re-explaining your patient’s care, because they have access to it at their fingertips. 

You can be confident that your patients are getting the best possible care, because the reports are populated based on what the literature recommends and isn’t that re-assuring? All of that work has been done FOR you. 

There are more than 1000 providers worldwide using ChiroUp to empower their treatments, patients, & practice – Including myself! **Short testimony**

If you don’t know what it’s all about or you’d like to check it out, do yourself a favor and go to Chiroup.com today to get started with your FREE TRIAL – Use code Williams99 to pay only $99/month for your first 6 months

That’s ChiroUp.com and super double secret code Williams99

OK, on to the article. 

They start by acknowledging the keto craze but say that the excitement doens’t necessarily equal the effectiveness or the evidence in supporting it. 

The point out that a metanalysis of 13 studies lasting more than a year showed that a keto diet shwoed less than one kilogram of additional weight loss over high carb, low fat diets. Hmmmmm very interesting….

IN addition, a different meta-analysis showed energy expenditure and fat loss was greater with low-fat diets vs. a keto diet. 

I’m going to quote the article directly here because they say it better than I can. They say, “In terms of the risk-benefit balance of the ketogenic diet, the potential adverse effects may give one pause. 

A review of the literature on ketogenic diets for the treatment of pediatric epilepsy reveals multiple adverse effects, ranging from the relatively benign but inconvenient “keto flu,” to less common but deadlier occurrence of cardiac arrhythmias from selenium deficiency. 

Other documented adverse effects include nephrolithiasis, constipation, halitosis, muscle cramps, headaches, diarrhea, restricted growth, bone fractures, pancreatitis, and multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies.

The greatest risk, however, of the ketogenic diet may be the one most overlooked: the opportunity cost of not eating high-fiber, unrefined carbohydrates. Whole grains, fruits, and legumes are some of the most health-promoting foods on the planet. They are not responsible for the epidemics of type 2 diabetes or obesity, and their avoidance may do harm.”

Item #4

In our continuing series of showing anyone thinking that chiropractors cause strokes that they are the equivalent of archaeic flat Earthers, we go with this paper called, “Effect of cervical manipulation on vertebral artery and cerebral haemodynamics in patients with chronic neck pain: a crossover randomised controlled trial” by Nicholas Moser, Silvano Mior, Michael Noseworthy, et. al. It was published in BMJ Open in 2019.(Moser N 2019) 

Why Thye Did It

Their stated goal in the paper is quoted as, “We aimed to determine whether cervical spine manipulation is associated with changes in vertebral artery and cerebrovascular haemodynamics measured with MRI compared with neutral neck position and maximum neck rotation in patients with chronic neck pain.

They did it at The Imaging Research Centre at St. Joseph’s Hospital in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. I have to say, I love those damn Canadians. They really do a great job on bringing quality and important research to the table for this profession. 

They used 20 patients here with a mean age of 32 and mean neck pain lasting 5.3 eyars. 

They tested maximal neck rotation followed by cervcial manipulation and/or

Cervical manipulation followed by maximal neck rotation. 

What They Found

“Our results are in accordance with previous work, which has shown a decrease in blood flow and velocity in the contralateral vertebral artery with head rotation. This may explain why we also observed a decrease in blood velocity with manipulation because it involves neck rotation. Our work is the first to show that cervical manipulation does not result in brain perfusion changes compared with a neutral neck position or maximal neck rotation. The changes observed were found to not be clinically meaningful and suggests that cervical manipulation may not increase the risk of cerebrovascular events through a haemodynamic mechanism.”

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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About the Author & Host

Dr. Jeff Williams – Chiropractor in Amarillo, TX, Chiropractic Advocate, Author, Entrepreneur, Educator, Businessman, Marketer, and Healthcare Blogger & Vlogger

Bibliography

Emanuel G (2019). “Opioid-Maker Insys Admits To Bribing Doctors, Agrees To Pay $225 Million Settlement.” NPR.

Joshi S, O. R., McMacken M, (2019). “The Ketogenic Diet for Obesity and Diabetes—Enthusiasm Outpaces Evidence.” JAMA Intern Med.

Moser N, M. S., Noseworthy M, (2019). “Effect of cervical manipulation on vertebral artery and cerebral haemodynamics in patients with chronic neck pain: a crossover randomised controlled trial.” BMJ Open 9(5).

Rubinic D, K. V., Dudley J, Owens SC, (2019). “Changes in Spinal Height After Manual Axial Traction or Side Lying: A Clinical Measure of Intervertebral Disc Hydration Using Stadiometry.” J Manipulative Physiol Ther 42(3): 187-194.

Multifidus & Disc Degeneration, Opioids & First Provider, Craniocervical Instability

CF 084: Multifidus & Disc Degeneration, Opioids & First Provider, Craniocervical Instability

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Today, it’s like the olden days here at the Chiropractic Forward Podcast. That’s right. No guests, just moiah. Me. Unfiltered and onery as usual. I’ve had stuff piling up in my archives and we’re going to sprint through some of it and see what sticks. We’re going to talk about the multifidus and some new research on it having to do with disc degeneration, we’ll talk about why what provider you see after low back injury can make all the difference, and we’ll talk about some hint that fibromyalgia and even POTS is theorized to be caused by craniocervical instability. Maybe?

It’s a heaping plate of knowledge noodles so keep your seat, the Italian mama that feeds you too much is in the kitchen. But first, here’s that yummy like a meatball bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have shimmied into Episode #84

Before we get started, 

I’m happy to introduce a new sponsor for the Chiropractic Forward Podcast called GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that will eliminate the need for running cable TV or the same DVDs over and over again on a loop in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living, to encourage referrals, and to present the benefits of the specific and different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailored-fit video playlist that will only promote the products and services available at your practice, and the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s no need to manually update your playlist or learn any complicated software. With this system, you tcan truly just set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice and…your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription. 

So visit GoChiroMedia.com (that’s g-o-c-h-i-r-o-m-e-d-i-a-.com) to check out the demo reels, and to get started on your free trial. Take your practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

And thanks to them for being involved in what we’re trying to accomplish here. 

Personal Happenings

If you hear something here that you really like and would like it in written form rather than spoken, just hop onto  chiropracticforward.com, find the episode, and just scroll down to copy and paste it. If you’re using it for content or on your website for some reason, just be cool and give us some credit please. I’d sure appreciate it and I’m sure the researchers we discuss would too. 

Item #1

Our first paper to cover is called “Physical activity attenuates fibrotic alterations to the multifidus muscle associated with intervertebral disc degeneration” and is authored by G. James, D. M. Klyne, et. al. and was published in European Spine Journal in May of 2019(James G 2019). 

Why They Did It

The authors here say that chronic low back pain….chronic…longstanding low back pain literally changes and remodels the multifidus muscles. They go on to say that physical activity reduces the local inflammation that comes before multifidus fibrosis during intervertebral disc degeneration (IDD), but its effect is unknown. This study aimed to assess the development of fibrosis and its underlying genetic network during intervertebral disc degeneration and the impact of physical activity.

How They Did It

This research was actually done on mice. To keep the entertainment value of this podcast as high as possible, I’m not going to get specific here as far as substance P, MMP2, blah blah blah. We’ll just head right to the conclusion of the paper. 

They say “these data reveal the fibrotic networks that promote fibrosis in the multifidus muscel during chronic intervertebral disc degeneration. Furthermore, physical activity is shown to reduce fibrosis and regulate the fibrotic gene network.” 

So they’re saying move it move it move it. 

Item #2

This next paper is called “Initial Provider Specialty Is Associated With Long-term Opiate Use in Patients With Newly Diagnosed Low Back and Lower Extremity Pain” and is authored by TC Azad, D Vail, and J. Bentley et. al. It was published in the esteemed Spine Journal in February of 2019. (Azad TD 2019)

Why They Did It

The authors wanted to determine whether provider specialty influences patterns of opiate utilization long after initial diagnosis. I’d say that’s a great question to be asking these days. When we have 72,000 die in one year from opioid-related causes, that should be up there on the ‘what the hell’ list wouldn’t you agree?

How They Did It

The study was a retrospective longitudinal cohort analysis of patients diagnosed in 2010, with continuous enrollment 6 months prior to and 12 months following the initial visit.

They identified 478,981 newly diagnosed opiate-naive patients. 

They estimated the risk of early opiate prescription and long-term opiate use based on the provider type at initial diagnosis.

What They Found

  • 40.4% of the patients received an opiate prescription within 1 year and 4% met the criteria for long-term use. 
  • The most common provider was family practice. They were associated with 24.4% risk of early opiate prescription and a 2% risk of long-term opiate use. 
  • Risk o freceiving an early opiate prescription was higher among patients initially diagnosed by emergency medicine or at an urgent care. 
  • Risk of Long-term opiate use was highest for aptietns initially diagnosed by pain management doctors or by physical medicine and rehabiliation providers. 

Wrap It Up

Initial provider type influences early opiate prescription and long-term opiate use among opiate-naïve patients with newly diagnosed low back and lower extremity pain.

Looky here ya see, I’m just going to lay it out for you. Zero percent of opiate-naive patients get prescribed OR hooked on opiates from seeing a chiropractor. Zero. 

I’ll even go further than that and say that approximately 70-80% of them get good to excellent results and improvement of their complaint. I know this through the ChiroUp tracking system they use across the country. 

You know what else I know through the ChiroUp tracking? I know that these results happen in only about 7 visits. Kow a Chow!! I know you can’t see it but you can picture that karate chop placed precisely to deliver a virtual coup de grace. 

Alright, Enough silliness. On to out final item here. 

But before we do that –  Let’s take a short break to talk about ChiroUp. If you’re a regular listener of our podcast, you I use it and I’ve told everyone how amazing it is since about June of 2018. Well now they’re a sponsor of our show and we are really excited to have ChiroUp on board the train. 

Have you heard about the #1 online resource for chiropractors? Well, let me tell you about it. 

ChiroUp is changing the way we practice by simplifying patient education and here’s what I mean: 

In a matter of seconds, you can send condition-specific reports to your patients with recommendations for treatment, for their activities of daily living, & for their exercises. 

You can see how this saves you time – no more explaining & re-explaining your patient’s care, because they have access to it at their fingertips. 

You can be confident that your patients are getting the best possible care, because the reports are populated based on what the literature recommends and isn’t that re-assuring? All of that work has been done FOR you. 

There are more than 1000 providers worldwide using ChiroUp to empower their treatments, patients, & practice – Including myself! **Short testimony**

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Item #3

Item #3 is an article titled “Could Craniocervical Instability Be Causing myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome, Fibromyalgia & POTS?” written by Cort Johnson and published in Health rising.org on February 27, 2019. (Johnson 2019)

This was actually sent to me by a cardiologist friend of mine and I’m really glad he sent it my way because it’s interesting as hell. Follow along. 

I’ll read you the first paragraph here, “Jeff had a typical ME/CFS onset: he was a young, healthy and active individual before being felled by a viral infection and a high temperature. The infection left him with headaches, dizziness, muscle weakness and pain, sound and light sensitivity, and a general sense of being worn down that was exacerbated by exercise – which he soon had to stop altogether. Socializing was the next activity to go as he buckled down to focus on getting through graduate school.”

The article goes on to talk about all of his various visits to specialists and how nothing seemed to work. In fact, he continued to decline in health all of the way to the point that he was essentially bedridden with little to no tolerance for any kind of exertion. We’re talking little energy to chew food and being wheeled into the bathroom to take a shower. Serious stuff. 

Turning his head one way could cause him to nearly lose consciousness and he felt a little like a bobble doll when he walked. His head felt heavy. 

Doing his own homework to try to basically save his own life, he stumbled across craniocervical instability, aka atlantoaxial instability, aka cranial-cervical syndrome and things started to make sense for Jeff. 

Here’s another quoted paragraph from the article, “The strange headaches, the heavy head, the problems turning his head in one direction, the autonomic nervous system issues – they could all be explained by loosened or lax ligaments at the junction between his skull and his vertebrae which kept his head properly situated atop his body. 

With his head destabilized, his spinal column was contacting and compressing his brainstem – throwing his autonomic nervous and sensory systems out of whack. His ANS had become so disturbed that even during sleep when it theoretically should have been mostly at rest – it was oscillating up and down causing bizarre heart rates.”

Craniocervical instability has been associated with conditions like rheumatoid arthritis, Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, Downs Syndrome, and other inflammatory conditions. The doctors were dismissive that, outside of any of these conditions, that he could actually have it. 

Just to expound on Ehlers Danlos a bit, one in 15 of EDS patients have craniocervical instability. 1 in 15 is a pretty good amount. Just another good reason to familiarize yourself with the Beighton scale and see if your EDS patients have other issues like we’re discussing here. 

It seems the correct imaging for CCI is a dynamic CT scan with flexion and extension view but not everyone can get dynamic CTs can they? I believe flexion and extension x-rays can give you a hint as well. 

So, skipping to the end of the story, Jeff had a fusion of the top two vertebrae to his skull and all symptoms poof disappeared. Which is awesome and good for him for diagnosing his issue and for being an advocate for himself. Those medical doctors can be a bit pesky when you go against what they think. 

The article also says there are only a few neurosurgeons in the world that can perform this sort of fusion. I sent the article to another friend of mine who just happens to be a neurosurgeon himself. He said that the whole article was really interesting and he was glad I sent it but he was confused why they think that there are only a few in the world that can do this surgery. He said they have to do it all of the time but, admittedly, it’s because of trauma. Not CCI. 

Still, it seem this is a surgery most neurosurgeons can do if needed. 

Great article, and great story that I’m linking in the show notes for you so click on it and check it out for yourself. There is a ton more with differenct patient stories so give it a read through. It’ll make you better. 


The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

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Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

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About the Author & Host

Dr. Jeff Williams – Chiropractor in Amarillo, TX, Chiropractic Advocate, Author, Entrepreneur, Educator, Businessman, Marketer, and Healthcare Blogger & Vlogger

Bibliography

Azad TD, V. D., Bentley J, (2019). “Initial Provider Specialty Is Associated With Long-term Opiate Use in Patients With Newly Diagnosed Low Back and Lower Extremity Pain.” Spine 44(3): 211-218.

James G, K. D., Millecamps M, (2019). “ISSLS Prize in Basic science 2019: Physical activity attenuates fibrotic alterations to the multifidus muscle associated with intervertebral disc degeneration.” Euro Spine J 28(5): 893-904.

Johnson, C. (2019). “Could Craniocervical Instability Be Causing ME/CFS, Fibromyalgia & POTS? Pt I – The Spinal Series.” Health Rising.

w/ Dr. John Van Tassel – (Part Two) Florida State Athletics, Mentoring, & Life/Work Balance

CF 083: w/ Dr. John Van Tassel – Florida State Athletics, Mentoring, & Life/Work Balance

Today we’re going to continue talking with our guest, Dr. John Van Tassell. This is part two of our interview so, if you’ve yet to listen to part one, stop now and go back one week and start there. You don’t want to miss the sage-like wisdom of this amazing chiropractic ambassador.  You are absolutely going to love listening to Dr. Van Tassel talk about Division I college sports, mentoring, and a good healthy life/work balance.

Before we get going with part two, here’s that Miami Vice-like bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have twisted and shouted your way right into Episode #83. When you have a guest from Florida, you think of gators and snakes. And Pablo Escobar and Miami Vice but we try to not get too under the table here on the Chiropractic Forward Podcast. 

Before we hop into the episode, let’s talk about GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that will eliminate the need for running cable TV or the same DVDs over and over again in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living, encourage referrals, and present the benefits of all the different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailored-fit video playlist that will only promote the products and services available at your practice, and the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s no need to manually update your playlist or learn any complicated software. You truly can set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice. Your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription. 

So visit GoChiroMedia.com (that’s g-o-c-h-i-r-o-m-e-d-i-a-.com) to check out the demo reels, and to get started on your free trial. Take you practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Go check our evidence-based brochures out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? 

How about the previous two episodes we did with Dr. Anthony Nicholson on Chronic pain? That was basically a mini-masterclass folks. I hope you know that. If you know nothing of any substance about chronic pain, the previous two episodes are your starting points. 

You have to listen to me here. Just go listen. Thank me later. He is the Niagara Falls of knowledge nuggets folks. 

In personal happenings, my family experienced some unpleasantness this past weekend. My 7 year old blue European Great Dane passed away. We got the Euro Dane because they are supposed to be heartier than their American Dane counterparts. 

They think she developed some sort of tumor that zapped her weight, had her dehydrated, and just unable to walk or do anything. Not cool. It was the opposite of anything fun but, she’s not suffering and that’s the best you can ask for on that sort of deal. 

Now on to our special guest today. INTRODUCTION

He is a heck of a communicator. Any discussion I have seen him take part in on the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance Facebook page….he’s the most thorough, most sensible, most sage-like if you will. I’ve even sent him patients all the way from where I sit here in Amarillo, TX. 

He’s the Yoda of chiropractors and I love reading his stories. If someone asks him a question, he doesn’t respond with a paragraph. He sits down and really thinks about it, considers it at length, and then responds with about a 5 paragraph guidance manual and I love it. 

Not to mention the fact that he’s one of the most accomplished you’ll find in any group anywhere. 

All of that is personal experience and fine and dandy but how about we give him an official introduction?

  • Graduating from Logan College of Chiropractic, Dr. John Van Tassel has been a chiropractor since 1991 and is the owner of Athletic and Family Chiropractic in Tallahassee, Florida. 
  • He has been an adjunct professor at Tallahassee Community College and Florida State University. 
  • He has been the FCA Sports Council Doctor of the Year
  • The ProSport Chiropractic Doctor of the Year for the Southeast Region
  • And has been a contributing author in various publications

What really gets one’s attention about Dr. Van Tassel is that he is the team chiropractor for the Florida State Seminoles. A perennial powerhouse of anything athletic in the SEC. 

We’re going to talk about all of it and you’re going to be fascinated so here we go. 

Let’s welcome to the show, the pride of Tallahassee, Dr. John Van Tassel. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your schedule to be with us today. 

Let’s start with a little humor. The first thing I want to know is…..what in the heck is up with Florida? There was even a Facebook game going around for a while where you just Google your birthday and the words “Florida man…” Lol. Are Floridians just inherently crazy?

Tell me….we all have a story that got us where we are. I always like to ask this question because chiropractic is a bit of a niche choice when choosing a career. What was your story toward being a chiropractor?

Now I noticed you’re originally from North Carolina. Why the move to Tallahassee. 

We became acquainted either through the evidence based chiropractic group or the forward thinking chiropractic alliance group. I can’t remember which but one of them for sure. They’re great groups. You’ll find people that are bull-headed that it’s their way or they scoff at you but that’s with any group really. Mostly….overall….they’re very friendly, very helpful, and very giving people. Giving of their experience and information as well as giving with their assistance should you need something. 

I always encourage anyone that considers themselves on the evidence-informed spectrum of the profession to join both groups. I learn SOMETHING from each of them just about every week. 

With that being said, I think you’ll agree that you are one of the more active members of the FTCA. Tell me about how you got involved with the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance and what keeps you coming back daily.

One of the things that obviously sets you apart from the run-of-the-mill chiropractor is your involvement with Florida State. Let’s start at the beginning and just talk about that for a bit. How did you get started with a D-I program? Was it a specific certification that moved you in that direction? What’s it like day to day, month to month, and year to year? And has it morphed through the years? 

In our preparation for this episode, you mentioned that you enjoy mentoring younger practitioners. With that in mind, what advice do you feel is vital for someone just starting out trying to open or build their own practice?

Continuing with the mentoring theme, what do you find to be the important aspects of maintaining a healthy work/life balance?

You seem to have a unique ability to recall things. For example, I can’t remember what I had for lunch yesterday but you can recall happenings and conversations from 20 years ago. 

I really think, and I believe most of the FTCA members would agree, that you have the best stories and should probably be working on your first book by now. 

With that in mind, can you re-tell the one you shared yesterday about the carpal tunnel patient that went to the GP who basically told her you didn’t know what you were talking about?

Now, the reason I asked for that one specifically, is because you’re in an arena where you commonly interact with other practitioners from the medical field. Are you experiencing this sort of bias against chiropractic in that world as well? Why do you think MD’s still don’t understand what it is that we do?

One of my favorite stories of your was about your Wall of Fame down your hallway. I’m sure there are plenty of recognizable names on that but your favorite is Mrs. Jones. Someone nobody outside of your practice and her personal circle would know. Is that a story you would mind sharing with us?

I want to close with this because this may be something that people can really use as the key takeaway from our time together today. 

I was reading one of your posts that went like this, “I was just thinking about something while A plumber unclogs my system at the house. I tell people, patients and students and athletes mostly, that desire and passion and determination are key. But it’s our habits that get us where we are going. We accomplish goals by developing habits.”

Now, I don’t know how a plumber brings to mind things like goals and habits but, I couldn’t agree more. What would you say are your core habits that have made the difference in your career?

You have slithered right into Episode #82. When you have a guest from Florida, you think of gators and snakes. And Pablo Escobar and Miami Vice but we try to not get too under the table here on the Chiropractic Forward Podcast. 

Before we hop into the episode, let’s talk about GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that will eliminate the need for running cable TV or the same DVDs over and over again in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living, encourage referrals, and present the benefits of all the different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailored-fit video playlist that will only promote the products and services available at your practice, and the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s no need to manually update your playlist or learn any complicated software. You truly can set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice. Your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription. 

So visit GoChiroMedia.com (that’s g-o-c-h-i-r-o-m-e-d-i-a-.com) to check out the demo reels, and to get started on your free trial. Take you practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Go check our evidence-based brochures out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? 

How about the previous two episodes we did with Dr. Anthony Nicholson on Chronic pain? That was basically a mini-masterclass folks. I hope you know that. If you know nothing of any substance about chronic pain, the previous two episodes are your starting points. 

You have to listen to me here. Just go listen. Thank me later. He is the Niagara Falls of knowledge nuggets folks. 

In personal happenings, my family experienced some unpleasantness this past weekend. My 7 year old blue European Great Dane passed away. We got the Euro Dane because they are supposed to be heartier than their American Dane counterparts. 

They think she developed some sort of tumor that zapped her weight, had her dehydrated, and just unable to walk or do anything. Not cool. It was the opposite of anything fun but, she’s not suffering and that’s the best you can ask for on that sort of deal. 

Now on to our special guest today. INTRODUCTION

He is a heck of a communicator. Any discussion I have seen him take part in on the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance Facebook page….he’s the most thorough, most sensible, most sage-like if you will. I’ve even sent him patients all the way from where I sit here in Amarillo, TX. 

He’s the Yoda of chiropractors and I love reading his stories. If someone asks him a question, he doesn’t respond with a paragraph. He sits down and really thinks about it, considers it at length, and then responds with about a 5 paragraph guidance manual and I love it. 

Not to mention the fact that he’s one of the most accomplished you’ll find in any group anywhere. 

All of that is personal experience and fine and dandy but how about we give him an official introduction?

  • Graduating from Logan College of Chiropractic, Dr. John Van Tassel has been a chiropractor since 1991 and is the owner of Athletic and Family Chiropractic in Tallahassee, Florida. 
  • He has been an adjunct professor at Tallahassee Community College and Florida State University. 
  • He has been the FCA Sports Council Doctor of the Year
  • The ProSport Chiropractic Doctor of the Year for the Southeast Region
  • And has been a contributing author in various publications

What really gets one’s attention about Dr. Van Tassel is that he is the team chiropractor for the Florida State Seminoles. A perennial powerhouse of anything athletic in the SEC. 

We’re going to talk about all of it and you’re going to be fascinated so here we go. 

Let’s welcome to the show, the pride of Tallahassee, Dr. John Van Tassel. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your schedule to be with us today. 

Let’s start with a little humor. The first thing I want to know is…..what in the heck is up with Florida? There was even a Facebook game going around for a while where you just Google your birthday and the words “Florida man…” Lol. Are Floridians just inherently crazy?

Tell me….we all have a story that got us where we are. I always like to ask this question because chiropractic is a bit of a niche choice when choosing a career. What was your story toward being a chiropractor?

Now I noticed you’re originally from North Carolina. Why the move to Tallahassee. 

We became acquainted either through the evidence based chiropractic group or the forward thinking chiropractic alliance group. I can’t remember which but one of them for sure. They’re great groups. You’ll find people that are bull-headed that it’s their way or they scoff at you but that’s with any group really. Mostly….overall….they’re very friendly, very helpful, and very giving people. Giving of their experience and information as well as giving with their assistance should you need something. 

I always encourage anyone that considers themselves on the evidence-informed spectrum of the profession to join both groups. I learn SOMETHING from each of them just about every week. 

With that being said, I think you’ll agree that you are one of the more active members of the FTCA. Tell me about how you got involved with the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance and what keeps you coming back daily.

One of the things that obviously sets you apart from the run-of-the-mill chiropractor is your involvement with Florida State. Let’s start at the beginning and just talk about that for a bit. How did you get started with a D-I program? Was it a specific certification that moved you in that direction? What’s it like day to day, month to month, and year to year? And has it morphed through the years? 

In our preparation for this episode, you mentioned that you enjoy mentoring younger practitioners. With that in mind, what advice do you feel is vital for someone just starting out trying to open or build their own practice?

Continuing with the mentoring theme, what do you find to be the important aspects of maintaining a healthy work/life balance?

You seem to have a unique ability to recall things. For example, I can’t remember what I had for lunch yesterday but you can recall happenings and conversations from 20 years ago. 

I really think, and I believe most of the FTCA members would agree, that you have the best stories and should probably be working on your first book by now. 

With that in mind, can you re-tell the one you shared yesterday about the carpal tunnel patient that went to the GP who basically told her you didn’t know what you were talking about?

Now, the reason I asked for that one specifically, is because you’re in an arena where you commonly interact with other practitioners from the medical field. Are you experiencing this sort of bias against chiropractic in that world as well? Why do you think MD’s still don’t understand what it is that we do?

One of my favorite stories of your was about your Wall of Fame down your hallway. I’m sure there are plenty of recognizable names on that but your favorite is Mrs. Jones. Someone nobody outside of your practice and her personal circle would know. Is that a story you would mind sharing with us?

I want to close with this because this may be something that people can really use as the key takeaway from our time together today. 

I was reading one of your posts that went like this, “I was just thinking about something while A plumber unclogs my system at the house. I tell people, patients and students and athletes mostly, that desire and passion and determination are key. But it’s our habits that get us where we are going. We accomplish goals by developing habits.”

Now, I don’t know how a plumber brings to mind things like goals and habits but, I couldn’t agree more. What would you say are your core habits that have made the difference in your career?

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I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

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We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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w/ Dr. John Van Tassel – Chiropractor for Florida State on Mentorship, Work-Life Balance, & Life Long Lessons (Part One)

Today we’re going to talk with one of the neatest gentlemen I have had the honor of interacting with in the last couple of years. You are absolutely going to love this conversation with Dr. John Van Tassel from Tallahassee, Florida about being a chiropractor for Florida State, a Division I college. You just wait, you’ll see what I mean. 

But first, here’s that sneaky like a Florida gator bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have slithered right into Episode #82. When you have a guest from Florida, you think of gators and snakes. And Pablo Escobar and Miami Vice but we try to not get too under the table here on the Chiropractic Forward Podcast. 

Before we hop into the episode, let’s talk about GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that will eliminate the need for running cable TV or the same DVDs over and over again in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living, encourage referrals, and present the benefits of all the different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailored-fit video playlist that will only promote the products and services available at your practice, and the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s no need to manually update your playlist or learn any complicated software. You truly can set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice. Your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription. 

So visit GoChiroMedia.com (that’s g-o-c-h-i-r-o-m-e-d-i-a-.com) to check out the demo reels, and to get started on your free trial. Take you practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Go check our evidence-based brochures out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? 

How about the previous two episodes we did with Dr. Anthony Nicholson on Chronic pain? That was basically a mini-masterclass folks. I hope you know that. If you know nothing of any substance about chronic pain, the previous two episodes are your starting points. 

You have to listen to me here. Just go listen. Thank me later. He is the Niagara Falls of knowledge nuggets folks. 

In personal happenings, my family experienced some unpleasantness this past weekend. My 7 year old blue European Great Dane passed away. We got the Euro Dane because they are supposed to be heartier than their American Dane counterparts. 

They think she developed some sort of tumor that zapped her weight, had her dehydrated, and just unable to walk or do anything. Not cool. It was the opposite of anything fun but, she’s not suffering and that’s the best you can ask for on that sort of deal. 

Now on to our special guest today. INTRODUCTION

He is a heck of a communicator. Any discussion I have seen him take part in on the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance Facebook page….he’s the most thorough, most sensible, most sage-like if you will. I’ve even sent him patients all the way from where I sit here in Amarillo, TX. 

He’s the Yoda of chiropractors and I love reading his stories. If someone asks him a question, he doesn’t respond with a paragraph. He sits down and really thinks about it, considers it at length, and then responds with about a 5 paragraph guidance manual and I love it. 

Not to mention the fact that he’s one of the most accomplished you’ll find in any group anywhere. 

All of that is personal experience and fine and dandy but how about we give him an official introduction?

  • Graduating from Logan College of Chiropractic, Dr. John Van Tassel has been a chiropractor since 1991 and is the owner of Athletic and Family Chiropractic in Tallahassee, Florida. 
  • He has been an adjunct professor at Tallahassee Community College and Florida State University. 
  • He has been the FCA Sports Council Doctor of the Year
  • The ProSport Chiropractic Doctor of the Year for the Southeast Region
  • And has been a contributing author in various publications

What really gets one’s attention about Dr. Van Tassel is that he is the team chiropractor for the Florida State Seminoles. A perennial powerhouse of anything athletic in the SEC. 

We’re going to talk about all of it and you’re going to be fascinated so here we go. 

Let’s welcome to the show, the pride of Tallahassee, Dr. John Van Tassel. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your schedule to be with us today. 

Let’s start with a little humor. The first thing I want to know is…..what in the heck is up with Florida? There was even a Facebook game going around for a while where you just Google your birthday and the words “Florida man…” Lol. Are Floridians just inherently crazy?

Tell me….we all have a story that got us where we are. I always like to ask this question because chiropractic is a bit of a niche choice when choosing a career. What was your story toward being a chiropractor?

Now I noticed you’re originally from North Carolina. Why the move to Tallahassee. 

We became acquainted either through the evidence based chiropractic group or the forward thinking chiropractic alliance group. I can’t remember which but one of them for sure. They’re great groups. You’ll find people that are bull-headed that it’s their way or they scoff at you but that’s with any group really. Mostly….overall….they’re very friendly, very helpful, and very giving people. Giving of their experience and information as well as giving with their assistance should you need something. 

I always encourage anyone that considers themselves on the evidence-informed spectrum of the profession to join both groups. I learn SOMETHING from each of them just about every week. 

With that being said, I think you’ll agree that you are one of the more active members of the FTCA. Tell me about how you got involved with the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance and what keeps you coming back daily.

One of the things that obviously sets you apart from the run-of-the-mill chiropractor is your involvement with Florida State. Let’s start at the beginning and just talk about that for a bit. How did you get started with a D-I program? Was it a specific certification that moved you in that direction? What’s it like day to day, month to month, and year to year? And has it morphed through the years? 

In our preparation for this episode, you mentioned that you enjoy mentoring younger practitioners. With that in mind, what advice do you feel is vital for someone just starting out trying to open or build their own practice?

Continuing with the mentoring theme, what do you find to be the important aspects of maintaining a healthy work/life balance?

You seem to have a unique ability to recall things. For example, I can’t remember what I had for lunch yesterday but you can recall happenings and conversations from 20 years ago. 

I really think, and I believe most of the FTCA members would agree, that you have the best stories and should probably be working on your first book by now. 

With that in mind, can you re-tell the one you shared yesterday about the carpal tunnel patient that went to the GP who basically told her you didn’t know what you were talking about?

Now, the reason I asked for that one specifically, is because you’re in an arena where you commonly interact with other practitioners from the medical field. Are you experiencing this sort of bias against chiropractic in that world as well? Why do you think MD’s still don’t understand what it is that we do?

One of my favorite stories of your was about your Wall of Fame down your hallway. I’m sure there are plenty of recognizable names on that but your favorite is Mrs. Jones. Someone nobody outside of your practice and her personal circle would know. Is that a story you would mind sharing with us?

I want to close with this because this may be something that people can really use as the key takeaway from our time together today. 

I was reading one of your posts that went like this, “I was just thinking about something while A plumber unclogs my system at the house. I tell people, patients and students and athletes mostly, that desire and passion and determination are key. But it’s our habits that get us where we are going. We accomplish goals by developing habits.”

Now, I don’t know how a plumber brings to mind things like goals and habits but, I couldn’t agree more. What would you say are your core habits that have made the difference in your career?

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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w/ Dr. Anthony Nicholson – Decoding Chronic Pain (Part Two)

CF 080: w/ Dr. Anthony Nicholson – Decoding Chronic Pain (Part Two)

Today we’re going to be fortunate enough to be joined by Dr. Anthony Nicholson from Australia. It was so nice we had to do it twice. This time around though, we are focusing mostly on chronic pain. Pain in the frame, if you will. If you are new to the concept of chronic pain as part of a centralized experience, buckle up because the school bus is about to arrive

But first, here’s that delightful bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have skidded your way into Episode #80 and we are glad to have you. 

We here at the Chiropractic Forward Podcast have gotten fancy. 

I’m happy to introduce a new sponsor for the Chiropractic Forward Podcast called GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that will eliminate the need for running cable TV or the same DVDs over and over again in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living, encourage referrals, and present the benefits of all the different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailored-fit video playlist that will only promote the products and services available at your practice, and the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s no need to manually update your playlist or learn any complicated software. You truly can set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice. Your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription. 

So visit GoChiroMedia.com (that’s g-o-c-h-i-r-o-m-e-d-i-a-.com) to check out the demo reels, and to get started on your free trial. Take you practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

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Go check out chiropracticforward.com and go to the store link. That’s where you’ll find brochures a plenty to get you started with some good, solid patient education. They look sharp and they read smart if you’re picking up what I’m throwing down. 

Do it do it, chiropracticforward.com and sign up for our newsletter while you’re at it, won’t you?

I want to thank Dr. Nickell in Kansas City for your recent feedback and for all of your encouraging words. Made my day and I appreciate it. 

DACO

Let’s talk a bit about the DACO program. Not a lot to talk about right now. Just studying my little hiney off. I li e. Not about the studying. About being little. I’m a big guy. The studying part is good. I enjoy going back through the courses. 

It’s funny to see the sort of student I am at this time in my life compared to me in school. Lol. I guess I thought I HAD to do it the first time through so I wasn’t as interested as I probably should have been. NOW, I want to be learning so I’m all in and my notes and study habits certainly reflect the fact. 

Personal Happenings

If you hear something here that you really like and would like it in written form rather than spoken, just hop onto  chiropracticforward.com, find the episode, and just scroll down to copy and paste it. If you’re using it for content or on your website for some reason, just be cool and give us some credit please. I’d sure appreciate it and I’m sure the researchers we discuss would too. 

Now, let’s get to our incredible guest today. Dr. Tim Bertelsman, one of the most talented speakers out there on the circuit today, says that our guest is just one of those people that really make you proud to be a chiropractor and I agree 187%. 

That’s a glowing endorsement but that not my official intro. Here’s the official intro:

Dr Anthony Nicholson is the CEO of Chiropractic Development International (CDI), a global continuing education organization for chiropractors that he co-founded in 2002.  

CDI’s innovative online learning technology has led to formal accreditation in over 35 states in North America, along with a growing learner base in the UK, Europe and South East Asia.

  https://www.chiropracticforward.com/w-dr-christine-goertz-chiropractic-research-what-does-the-science-say-and-where-are-we-going/

CDI provides 250 hours of advanced online clinical training for the Neuromusculoskeletal Medicine Program offered by the University of Bridgeport in Connecticut and had developed an online board examination for the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedics.

As a partner of Spine Partners Wahroonga in Sydney Australia, Dr Nicholson is also a full-time chiropractic physician in private practice, is a board certified chiropractic neurologist (DACNB) and is board certified in Chiropractic Orthopedics (FACO).  That means he has a Diplomate in Neurology AND Orthopedics. 

In addition, he is an adjunct senior lecturer in Neuromusculoskeletal Diagnosis and Evidence-based Practice at Macquarie University ion Sydney’s north shore.  

Welcome to the show Dr. Nicholson thank you for joining us for the second time.

We already had you on the show for a two-part discussion so we have already covered a lot of topics from medical marketing, to CDI, to the DACO. For this episode, I’d like to concentrate mostly on the topic of pain. Particulary centralized pain. 

When I started the DACO program I had no idea what you were talking about. I was slow to the show but find myself fascinated by it all. 

I don’t know if this is the best starting point or not but….What is pain? What basic responses are needed in response to a noxious stimulus? 

OK, now we know what pain is…can you tell us….what is chronic pain? How is it defined?

I believe this questions will lead us into the big concept. Can you tell us a bit about neuroplasticity? What is it? What does the term mean and what do we know about it now vs. traditional thinking on neuroplasticity?

OK….here’s the big question and the reason I wanted to do this interview with you. This question may just take up the majority of the episode and that’s OK. That’s what we’re here for and this questions gets to the foundation of it. 

For our audience’s benefit, what’s the difference between peripheral pain sources and central pain sources and what exactly is an upregulated or a sensitized central nervous system?

Let’s say someone has a bad shoulder for a while…..does anyone that has had literally anything hurting for 3 months or more now have an upregulated CNS?

Other than hurting chronically, are there other signs and symptoms that can give us a clue someone is suffering from chronic pain or are in chronic pain syndrome?

To me, having chronic pain at one site seems different than chronic pain SYNDROME. Let’s continue with the person with the bad shoulder for six months. Is that considered being in chronic pain syndrome vs. just having chronic shoulder pain?

What are we learning about centralized chronic pain and how to treat it effectively? What do you do in your office to treat it?

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Let’s say someone doesn’t have the time or maybe the money to go through the DACO. Where would you tell them to start searching to learn more on the condition?

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

Website

Social Media Links

https://www.facebook.com/chiropracticforward/

Chiropractic Forward Podcast Facebook GROUP

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1938461399501889/

Twitter

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https://player.fm/series/2291021

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About the Author & Host

Dr. Jeff Williams – Chiropractor in Amarillo, TX, Chiropractic Advocate, Author, Entrepreneur, Educator, Businessman, Marketer, and Healthcare Blogger & Vlogger

w/ Dr. Anthony Nicholson – (Part One) Decoding Chronic Pain

CF 080: w/ Anthony Nicholson – Decoding Chronic Pain

Today we’re going to be fortunate enough to be joined by Dr. Anthony Nicholson from Australia. It was so nice we had to do it twice. This time around though, we are focusing mostly on chronic pain. Pain in the frame, if you will. If you are new to the concept of chronic pain as part of a centralized experience, buckle up because the school bus is about to arrive

But first, here’s that delightful bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have skidded your way into Episode #80 and we are glad to have you. 

We here at the Chiropractic Forward Podcast have gotten fancy. 

I’m happy to introduce a new sponsor for the Chiropractic Forward Podcast called GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that will eliminate the need for running cable TV or the same DVDs over and over again in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living, encourage referrals, and present the benefits of all the different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailored-fit video playlist that will only promote the products and services available at your practice, and the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s no need to manually update your playlist or learn any complicated software. You truly can set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice. Your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription. 

So visit GoChiroMedia.com (that’s g-o-c-h-i-r-o-m-e-d-i-a-.com) to check out the demo reels, and to get started on your free trial. Take you practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

Store

Go check out chiropracticforward.com and go to the store link. That’s where you’ll find brochures a plenty to get you started with some good, solid patient education. They look sharp and they read smart if you’re picking up what I’m throwing down. 

Do it do it, chiropracticforward.com and sign up for our newsletter while you’re at it, won’t you?

I want to thank Dr. Nickell in Kansas City for your recent feedback and for all of your encouraging words. Made my day and I appreciate it. 

DACO

Let’s talk a bit about the DACO program. Not a lot to talk about right now. Just studying my little hiney off. I li e. Not about the studying. About being little. I’m a big guy. The studying part is good. I enjoy going back through the courses. 

It’s funny to see the sort of student I am at this time in my life compared to me in school. Lol. I guess I thought I HAD to do it the first time through so I wasn’t as interested as I probably should have been. NOW, I want to be learning so I’m all in and my notes and study habits certainly reflect the fact. 

Personal Happenings

If you hear something here that you really like and would like it in written form rather than spoken, just hop onto  chiropracticforward.com, find the episode, and just scroll down to copy and paste it. If you’re using it for content or on your website for some reason, just be cool and give us some credit please. I’d sure appreciate it and I’m sure the researchers we discuss would too. 

Now, let’s get to our incredible guest today. Dr. Tim Bertelsman, one of the most talented speakers out there on the circuit today, says that our guest is just one of those people that really make you proud to be a chiropractor and I agree 187%. 

That’s a glowing endorsement but that not my official intro. Here’s the official intro:

Dr Anthony Nicholson is the CEO of Chiropractic Development International (CDI), a global continuing education organization for chiropractors that he co-founded in 2002.  

CDI’s innovative online learning technology has led to formal accreditation in over 35 states in North America, along with a growing learner base in the UK, Europe and South East Asia.  

CDI provides 250 hours of advanced online clinical training for the Neuromusculoskeletal Medicine Program offered by the University of Bridgeport in Connecticut and had developed an online board examination for the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedics.

As a partner of Spine Partners Wahroonga in Sydney Australia, Dr Nicholson is also a full-time chiropractic physician in private practice, is a board certified chiropractic neurologist (DACNB) and is board certified in Chiropractic Orthopedics (FACO).  That means he has a Diplomate in Neurology AND Orthopedics. 

In addition, he is an adjunct senior lecturer in Neuromusculoskeletal Diagnosis and Evidence-based Practice at Macquarie University ion Sydney’s north shore.  

Welcome to the show Dr. Nicholson thank you for joining us for the second time.

We already had you on the show for a two-part discussion so we have already covered a lot of topics from medical marketing, to CDI, to the DACO. For this episode, I’d like to concentrate mostly on the topic of pain. Particulary centralized pain. 

When I started the DACO program I had no idea what you were talking about. I was slow to the show but find myself fascinated by it all. 

I don’t know if this is the best starting point or not but….What is pain? What basic responses are needed in response to a noxious stimulus? 

OK, now we know what pain is…can you tell us….what is chronic pain? How is it defined?

I believe this questions will lead us into the big concept. Can you tell us a bit about neuroplasticity? What is it? What does the term mean and what do we know about it now vs. traditional thinking on neuroplasticity?

OK….here’s the big question and the reason I wanted to do this interview with you. This question may just take up the majority of the episode and that’s OK. That’s what we’re here for and this questions gets to the foundation of it. 

For our audience’s benefit, what’s the difference between peripheral pain sources and central pain sources and what exactly is an upregulated or a sensitized central nervous system?

Let’s say someone has a bad shoulder for a while…..does anyone that has had literally anything hurting for 3 months or more now have an upregulated CNS?

Other than hurting chronically, are there other signs and symptoms that can give us a clue someone is suffering from chronic pain or are in chronic pain syndrome?

To me, having chronic pain at one site seems different than chronic pain SYNDROME. Let’s continue with the person with the bad shoulder for six months. Is that considered being in chronic pain syndrome vs. just having chronic shoulder pain?

What are we learning about centralized chronic pain and how to treat it effectively? What do you do in your office to treat it?

Let’s say someone doesn’t have the time or maybe the money to go through the DACO. Where would you tell them to start searching to learn more on the condition?

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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About the Author & Host

Dr. Jeff Williams – Chiropractor in Amarillo, TX, Chiropractic Advocate, Author, Entrepreneur, Educator, Businessman, Marketer, and Healthcare Blogger & Vlogger

w/ Dr. Kris Anderson – FQHC, Chiropractic Research, and Professionalism

CF 079: w/ Dr. Kris Anderson – FQHC, Chiropractic Research, and Professionalism

Today we’re going to be joined by a special guest Dr. Kris Anderson from North Dakota. Yes, North Dakota’s finest is here to tell us about some of the stuff he’s got shaking and there’s a lot of stuff shaking thanks to this amazing guy. 

But first, here’s that silky satiny bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have collapsed into Episode #79

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Store

Part of making your life easier is having the right patient education tools in your office. Tools that educate based on solid, researched information. We offer you that. It’s done for you. I just got in my first box. I started with the non-surgical spinal decompression brochures. I wanted them for myself and ordered enough to send you some too!

If you’re like me, you get tired of answering the same old questions. Well, these brochures make great ways of educating while saving yourself time and breath. They’re also great for putting in take-home folders. 

Go check them out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? We won’t spam you. Just one email per week to remind you when the new episode comes out. That’s it. 

DACO

Let’s talk a bit about the DACO program. I’m still studying. Nothing sexy there. I will say that the second time through the material is really really valuable. At least for me it is. I forget so much. Especially being 46. Not only am I older and I don’t remember things at the level I once did, but I also think I’m undiagnosed ADD. 

If I see anything shiny, man, I’m off in a completely different direction. When you have computers and phones dinging at you all the damn time, it’s tough. I have tried to minimize my notifications on the electronics. I’ve tried to keep my phone turned to do not disturb and all that good stuff. I can’t deal with all the racket when I’m trying to focus on something. 

So, yes, the second time through, for me, is of high value. 

Personal Happenings

If you hear something here that you really like and would like it in written form rather than spoken, just hop onto  chiropracticforward.com, find the episode, and just scroll down to copy and paste it. If you’re using it for content or on your website for some reason, just be cool and give us some credit please. I’d sure appreciate it and I’m sure the researchers we discuss would too. 

Now, let’s get ot our guest today. 

Sometimes, we have doctors on as guests that not everyone knows. I think that if you do not know our next guest, you either should or will know him in due time. He is a mover and shaker in our profession and is really just getting started. Some people cannot be ignored and I think our guest is one of those. Without a doubt. 

He is the current President of the North Dakota Chiropractic Association and was voted Chriopractor of the Year last year for the NDCA. That’s a pretty big deal. 

He has worked on behalf of the State of North Dakota with payers, legislatyors, government agencies, and other healthcare and community stakeholders. We’ll be finding out more about that in a bit. 

He has helped conduct research on safety as well on a smoking cessation pilot study.  

He was part of a study team whose systematic review of manual therapy for pediatric patients was published in BMC Complementary and Alternative Medicine. 

He treats part time as an employee of his local FQHC. Which stands for Federally Qualified Health Center. He’s their first chiropractor so I can’t wait to learn more about how that is progressing and what challenges he is encountering as he goes. 

If all of that were not enough, he is currently the AMA RUC HCPAC ACA Alternate Advisor. Don’t feel bad if you don’t know what that is because I had to ask too. We’ll tell you about it. Some of it is super double top secret but interesting for sure. 

He is also in the middle of a North Dakota Department of Health grant to help expand detection and management of hypertension within our profession. 

Now….now do you see why we have him here with us today? You may or may not know the name Kris Anderson but I feel confident the entire profession is going to know who he is by the time he’s done leaving his dent on our profession. 

We are happy to welcome Dr. Kris Anderson to the Chiropractic Forward Podcast today. Thank you for joining us today Dr. Anderson. 

My first question for you is, “When the hell do you ever sleep?” You have a ton of stuff going on.

I noticed on your CV that you worked as a barista at Starbuck’s during your time at Palmer. I’m not sure how anyone can hold a job while going through chiropractic college but, is this a skill that has paid off for you? Do you have an espresso machine in your office?

When I go through your information, you are involved in so many things. For example, I see your are District 4’s representative for Clinical Compass, Delphi Panelist, Grantee from ND Dept. of Health, Committee member for Notrh Dakota State Board of Chiropractic Examiners, ACA, and on and on. Where does all of this stem from? I’ve never even considered district representative for Clinical Compass was even a thing. Lol. 

We covered a paper you were part of back in Episode #68. In fact, that may be how we became familiar with each other. The paper was callled “Manual therapy for the pediatric population: a systematic review. It was in the BMC Complementary and Alternative Medicine(Prevost C 2019) just this year. I want to know all about it. How did you get involved with the team? Tell us a little about the process. 

This study came out at just about the same time as the Australians and certain spots in Canada started dealing with attacks on their rights to treat pediatric patients woith chiropractic care. What amazing timing. First, are pediatric patients a significant part of your practice and secondly, what has been the reception globally in regards to the paper’s findings?

As you probably well know, Texas has been in quite a battle with our state medical association. You are clearly as deeply involved in your state’s association. What challenges are the North Dakota chiropractors facing in 2019?

Do you have any specific goals to work on as President of the North Dakota Chiropractic Association?

Tell me about the gig with the FQHC? Dr. James Lehman was on our podcast in episode #55 and he was discussing the FQHC’s and integrating. He felt integration into them would be helped by completing a specialization like the DACO or something like that. What is your opinion on that? How did you get involved? 

What does your day at the FQHC look like?

Being the FQHC’s first chiropractor, what biases or other issues are you finding yourself having to address and navigate?

Tell us more about the grant you are in the middle of for the North Dakota Department of Health? How did it come about? What is the mission?

Let’s talk about alphabet soup….. AMA RUC HCPAC ACA Alternate Advisor. I promise, almost no person alive knows what all of that stands for so do us a favor and break it down for us and tell me what the purpose is. What’s the goal and how does it help chiropractors?

Those of us that have been active know the difference between being a member and being an active member. What has it meant to you both personally and professionally to not only be a member of your state association but to also be active in it? 

When we are sitting in our offices in Amarillo, TX or in Grand Forks, North Dakota, Washington DC and the ACA seems far away and somewhat out of reach. What have you seen is an effective way to become active with the ACA on a national level?

What’s coming down the pike for you in the next 5 years and in the next 10 years? Where do you see all of your efforts headed. Or where do you hope they’re headed?

Thanks for joining us

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

Website

Social Media Links

https://www.facebook.com/chiropracticforward/

Chiropractic Forward Podcast Facebook GROUP

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1938461399501889/

Twitter

YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtc-IrhlK19hWlhaOGld76Q

iTunes

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/chiropractic-forward-podcast-chiropractors-practicing/id1331554445?mt=2

Player FM Link

https://player.fm/series/2291021

Stitcher:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-chiropractic-forward-podcast-chiropractors-practicing-through

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About the Author & Host

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Prevost C, G. B., Carleo B, (2019). “Manual therapy for the pediatric population: a systematic review.” BMC Comp Altern Med 19(60).

w/ Dr. David Graber (Part One) – Chiropractic Technique, Chiropractic Gurus, Teaching

CF 076: w/ Dr. David Graber (Part One) – Chiropractic Technique, Chiropractic Gurus, Teaching

Today we’re going to be talking with Dr. David Graber from New Jersey. Parsippany, NJ to be specific. 

But first, here’s that bumper music


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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have collapsed into Episode #76

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Store

Part of making your life easier is having the right patient education tools in your office. Tools that educate based on solid, researched information. We offer you that. It’s done for you. We are taking pre-orders right now for our brand new, evidence-based office brochures available at chiropracticforward.com. Just click the STORE link at the top right of the home page and you’ll be off and running. Just shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com if something is out of sorts or isn’t working correctly. 

If you’re like me, you get tired of answering the same old questions. Well, these brochures make great ways of educating while saving yourself time and breath. They’re also great for putting in take-home folders. 

Go check them out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? We won’t spam you. Just one email per week to remind you when the new episode comes out. That’s it. 

F4CP

We will be launching an athletes and opioids eBook toward the end of this month. It’s called A case for chiropractic disrupting the cycle of pain, prescriptions, and addiciton. I’m linking it in the show notes so go get and check it out. 

https://www.f4cp.org/package/home/viewfile/whiathletes-and-opioids-ebook

DACO

Let’s get to our guest today. As I mentioned at the top of the show, we have Dr. DavidCF ep. 76 Graber with us today. 

  • Dr. Graber graduated from New York Chiropractic College in 1985 and got his Sports Diplomate in 1996. 
  • He is a fromer NYCC assistant instructor of diagnosis and technique. 
  • He developed and taught over 20 different post-graduate courses in Chiropractic technique and theory, and rehabilitation. 
  • He was voted chiropractor of the year in 2012 by the Association of New Jersey Chiropractors
  • He is the charman of the ANJC council on technique and clinical excellence. 
  • And he’s here with us today. 
  • Welcome to the show
  • Tell me about your journey into chiropractic
  • Tell me about your journey into evidence-based chiropractic
  • When did you start getting into speaking and giving presentations? How did that come about?
  • I noticed a powerpoint where you taught cervical adjusting. After going through the powerpoint, how many ways are there to adjust a neck?  Minus the techniques Rambo and Chuck Norris use of course : )
  • You say you know how to suck at a technique. I don’t know anyone that wants to suck but, in order to avoiding sucking, you must explain. 
  • You mention the people that are publishing research and teaching courses on Chiropractic technique and how to approach them as if they were a financial planner. Can you explain that a little further for us?
  • I can’t think of anyone better than you to ask this question of. I see so many polar opinions concerning this: with the rising popularity of the YouTube folks like Cipriano and Gregory Johnson, AKA – Ring Dinger – what is you opinion of the Y-axis adjustment? Is it as dangerous as some think?

Chiropractic evidence-based products

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

Website

Social Media Links

https://www.facebook.com/chiropracticforward/

Chiropractic Forward Podcast Facebook GROUP

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1938461399501889/

Twitter

YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtc-IrhlK19hWlhaOGld76Q

iTunes

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/chiropractic-forward-podcast-chiropractors-practicing/id1331554445?mt=2

Player FM Link

https://player.fm/series/2291021

Stitcher:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-chiropractic-forward-podcast-chiropractors-practicing-through

TuneIn

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About the Author & Host

Dr. Jeff Williams – Chiropractor in Amarillo, TX, Chiropractic Advocate, Author, Entrepreneur, Educator, Businessman, Marketer, and Healthcare Blogger & Vlogger