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10,000 Steps Myth, Is An Adjustment Neuro Too, Soft Drinks, & It’s OK To Not Adjust

CF 091: 10,000 Steps Myth, Is An Adjustment Neuro Too, Soft Drinks, & It’s OK To Not Adjust

Today we’re going to talk about the 10,000 Steps Myth, Is An Adjustment Neuro Too, Soft Drinks, & It’s OK To Not Adjust 

But first, here’s that sweet sweet bumper music

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OK, we are back and you have found the Chiropractic Forward Podcast where we are making evidence-based chiropractic fun and accessible while we make you and your patients better all the way around. Welcome, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have collapsed into Episode #91

Now if you missed last week’s episode on Healthcare, the Days Of Old,  make sure you don’t miss that info. It was a bit of a brain dump. The week before that was on Decoding Fibromyalgia and we had a great episode before that one called Closing Patients…..we’ve had a lot of beneficial discussion on Facebook come out of that episode and it’s definitely worth checking out. 

We can’t get started without mentioning the sponsor of the first half of our show, 

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That’s right. It works by using a tailor-fit video playlist that only promotes the products and services offered in your specific practice. Not only that but the videos are updated automatically on a weekly basis so there’s no need to manually update your playlist AND you don’t have to learn any complicated software. You get to just set it and forget it. And don’t we busy doctors need just that?

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In personal practice, I have to say I’m testing. What I mean is that you never have everything as cookie cutter as you’d like do you? I used to have patient time and paper time and life was good. i got plenty done but never seemed to break through as far as patient load. 

I had a new front desk scheduler come on board and she basically ignored my paper time patient time dynamic and, after some time, my practice blew up and went crazy as hell. 

Now, the key is, did the roof blow off because she put the patient preference in regard to the schedule…..did she put their wants first? So they loved it because it was so convenient? Or, was it a natural progression of practice and it happened to simply coincide?

Who the hell knows? I think we do a lot of things right so I don’t know. Here’s what I’m certain of though. If we continued putting patients wherever they wanted to be on the schedule rather than forcing them into a formatted schedule that still takes advantage of peak and most requested times…..if we continue to allow patients to run our practice rather than us running the practice….I’m quitting!! Lol

Here’s the thing, I don’t want to brag about numbers and things of that sort. I’m just telling you that it’s been at a point where, when the patients run the schedule, I have zero time to produce a great podcast, zero time to collect thoughts on anything at all, hell I don’t have time to go to the bathroom. 

So, a couple of weeks ago, I decided it was time to put a foot down. A foot down outfitted with a  steel-toed boot! We will have paper time and we will have new patient time. Period. 

Here we are with week #2 of the schedule playing out and you know what? We are a little slower today than normal. I’ve been in practice long enough to know that is not a big deal. Sometimes, it’s just that way. But there still is that part of me that wonders what in the hell? Is it the new schedule? Is it this is it that? 

Blah…. So, even 21 years later, it can be a rollercoaster. It can be a day to day, week to week, month to month thing and that drives me crazy. Mostly because I believe I have an anxiety disorder. 

Again, I share these more personal problems or issues with you all because I know some are going through the exact same thing and some younger docs WILL. 

I’ve been making plans on being at the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance’s conference called Forward ’19 in St. Louis, MO….actually Chesterfield, MO but had I said that first, you’d have no damn clue where I was talking about and you’d have to get out your Google machine and waste time looking for the damn place and I don’t want to do that to you. OK?

It’s the little things I do for you all right? Anyway St. Louis on the weekend of September 20-22….it’s that weekend. They have Gray Cook as the headlineer. They also have , Greg Kawchuck, Annie O’Connor, Christine Goertz, a guy I got to know a bit through the DACO program and a great speaker and doctor, Dr. Brandon Steele, and several more. It’s a time to not miss. Plus, hell, I’ll be there. 

I’ll be staying at the Drury Inn there in Chesterfield and it’s right next door to a Cheesecake Factory so, honestly, what’s not to love about this weekend that’s coming up on us rather quickly?

They aren’t paying me to tell you about it. In fact, nobody associated with the FTCA has even asked me to mention it. But, I think it’s important and I think attendees will walk away as better doctors. That’s why I’m going. 10% better every day, week, month, and year. 10% better. 

go to https://www.forwardthinkingchiro.com/convention if you’re interested.

Item #1

We have a short one to kick this off with. It’s called ‘For Mortality, Busting The Myth of 10,000 Steps Per Day” by Jennifer Abbasi and published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in July of 2019 (Abbasi J 2019), hot cakes, hot stuff. 

Jennifer says the goal of reaching 10,000 steps every day has been a thing for a while now but, in truth, that may not actually be necessary. She said that older women who walked more than their peers and lower death rates in a recent study in JAMA Internal Medicine but….here’s the gotcha part….but the mortality benefit was seen with as few as 4400 steps. 

She says the recommendation of 10,000 steps may be disinclusive – is that a word?I think you know what I mean. She says 10,000 steps can be daunting to many. Especially older people and can actually keep them from walking any more. Whereas 4,400 is much more realistic and the that’s where the benefit is actually seen. 

Interesting stuff right there and definitely worth mention. I’m taking that to my practice. You should too. 10,000 steps may not be the gold standard.

Item #2

This is one called “Spinal manipulation therapy: is it all about the brain? A current review of the neurophysiological effects of manipulation” by Giles Gyer, Jimmy Michael (don’t trust someone with two first names), and James Inklebarger, et. al(Gyer G 2019). It was published in the Journal of Integrative Medicine in September of 2019. Hell, it’s September of 2019 right here right now. Hot potato, hot potato…..

They start out by saying that the the mechanisms underlying the pain modulatory effects of spinal manipulative therapy remain elusive. And although biomechanics and neurophysiological phenomena have been thought to play a role in the effects we see, more and more studies are showing improved outcomes suggesting peripheral, spinal, AND supra spinal mechanisms are playing a part. 

If you listen to our episode with the esteemed Dr. Christine Goertz, she was very clear in saying that we are currently a long way away from being able to say exactly how adjustments get the amazing results they get. That’s frustrating in a way isn’t it? It is for me. I want to know exactly how. 

In describing the article, she says, “The body of literature reviewed herein suggested some clear neurophysiological changes following spinal manipulation, which include neural plastic changes, alteration in motor neuron excitability, increase in cortical drive and many more.”

I have cited this article in case you want to go and find it. It’s in the show notes at chiropracticforward.com so go check it out. But I couldn’t find the whole article. At least not yet. Not until one of you awesome listeners sends it to me at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com I would be grateful. 

But it is good for discussion. I actually did an episode dedicated to this topic. It was Episode #56 and I’m linking right here at this spot in the show notes so you can hear it. I actually had several people emailing me with some thanks on that one. 

The first reason this one was a big episode is because there were some knucklehead wannabe chiropractic gurus out in California claiming to have reversed spinal arthritis after two weeks of draining a patient’s bank account….errr. cough…I mean….of treating the patient 4x/day for 3 weeks. Which quickly adds up to a whole pile of steaming fresh hot brown….BS.

That episode came with pictures and illustrations in the show notes even. I was really fired up there. Lol. 

Anyway, the main reason I’m talking about that episode right now is that I provided a pretty solid description of the latest research and ideas on what an adjustment just may actually be doing for our patients. 

Basically, 

A recent paper by Anderstt et al. (2018) confirmed that cervical manipulation results in facet gaping.  This force also improves regional motion across multiple spinal levels during and post-manipulation.

“This study is the first to measure facet gapping during cervical manipulation on live humans. The results demonstrate that target and adjacent motion segments undergo facet joint gapping during manipulation and that intervertebral range of motion is increased in all three planes of motion after manipulation. The results suggest that clinical and functional improvement after manipulation may occur as a result of small increases in intervertebral ROM across multiple motion segments.” 

And according to the DACO learning

It appears that manipulation relies upon signaling properties of the muscle spindles that lie embedded in the paraspinal tissues. As the spindle registers rapid lengthening of the muscle it transduces this into a large proprioceptive barrage. 

The unique nature of a manipulation seems to alter the responsiveness of second-order neurons in the dorsal horn and make them less sensitive to incoming nociceptive signals from injured tissues.”

Adjustments are gapping the facets, improving proprioception and sensorimotor function, helping the body and brain know better where everything is and know better how it’s supposed to move thus, improving that movement and function. 

So, until new research comes out that makes us throw all of our best information out the window, that’s what I’m going with and, for evidence-informed practitioners, would suggest you adopt as well. 

Short break here….

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If you’re a regular listener of our podcast, you know I used it since about June of 2018. Let me tell you about it. 

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Now, Item #3

This one is an obvious one and is called “Association Between Soft Drink Consumption and Mortality in 10 European Countries(Mullee A 2019)” by Amy Mullee, PhD, Dora Romaguera PhD, and Jonathan Pearson-Stuttard, BMBCh whatever the hell that is. 

Brand new info here. They took 451,743 individuals from 10 countries in Europe consuming more sugar-sweetened and artificially sweetened soft drinks. 

What they found was that those drinking more of either of those had a higher risk of all-cause mortality. Consumption of artificially sweetened soft drinks was positively associated with deaths from a circulatory disease while those consuming sugar-sweetened soft drinks suffered more deaths from digestive disease. 

So, why not cut them all out? I think water rules the day and NOT tap water by the way. I drink a lot of coffee and tea but I’m doing my best to drink more water. I know I’m supposed to. I get it but dammit it has no umph to it so water just sort of pisses me off and leaves me wanting. Lacking. And basically bitchy. 

Anyway, Item #4

This one is called “Association Between Maternal Fluoride Exposure During Pregnancy and IQ Scores in Offspring in Canada” by Rivka Green, Bruce Lanphear, and Richard Hornung, et al and published in JAMA Pediatrics in August of 2019(Green R 2019). Look out hot stuff everywhere, steamin’ plate…

The question they wanted to answer was, is maternal fluoride exposure during pregnancy associated with childhood IQ in a Canadian cohort receiving optimally fluoridated water?

Their conclusion was as follows “In this study, maternal exposure to higher levels of fluoride during pregnancy was associated with lower IQ scores in children aged 3 to 4 years. These findings indicate the possible need to reduce fluoride intake during pregnancy.”

Interesting stuff. Especially for those of you that make pediatrics and prenatal care such a big part of your practice. Knowledge nuggets all over the place today. You can’t listen today and avoid getting hit in the head with at least one of them. It may slap some sense into the recipient. At least that’s the goal. 

OK, last thing I have on tap today is Item #5

It’s called “Chiropractic conservatism and the ability to determine contra-indications, non-indications, and indications to chiropractic care: a cross-sectional survey of chiropractic students” by Guillaume Goncalves, Marine Demorier, and others. I say and others because I’m not even about to try to pronounce the next name. There would be a verbal murder of probably a perfectly good name and I don’t want to play any part in that. 

It was published in BMC Chiropractic and Manual Therapies in 2019. Once again, too hot to handle, step back one….no two steps…

In the background section of the abstract, they start by saying “While there is a broad spectrum of practice within chiropractic two sub-types can be identified, those who focus on musculoskeletal problems and those who treat also non-musculoskeletal problems. The latter group may adhere to the old conservative ‘subluxation’ model. The main goal of this study is to determine if chiropractic students with such conservative opinions are likely to have a different approach to determine contra-indications, non-indications and indications to chiropractic treatment versus those without such opinions.”

What They Found

  • They had 359 student respond out of 536.
  • They generally recognized a number of contra-indication as well as indications for treatment
  • What the problem was was in identifying non-indications for treatment. 
  • The subluxation students were much more willing to treat someone even when there was nothing relevant wrong
  • For example, they were much more willing to treat a 5-yr-old kid with no history of back pain or disease to prevent future back pain and to also prevent non-musculoskeletal disease. 

Wrap Up

Their conclusion was “It is concerning that students who adhere to the subluxation model are prepared to ‘operationalize’ their conservative opinions in their future scope of practice; apparently willing to treat asymptomatic people with chiropractic adjustments. The determinants of this phenomenon need to be understood.”

I can help them understand it. It’s BS passed on by wannabe gurus and colleges like Sherman and Life and was once shoveled in large amounts by Palmer and my alma mater, Parker. Although, to my understanding, those discussions are fewer and further between at Palmer and Parker these days. 

Look, I’ve made no secret, I’m not a Subby, a TOR, or a TIC. I’m an evidence-informed chiropractor. Just like Subbys and other evidence-informed chiropractors…..I too get great results for my patients. 

Unlike SOME of my Subby counterparts….not all of them….but certainly SOME of them…….I communicate with the medical field in effective ways that make sense to them, I do not take advantage of my patients, I do not use techniques and recommendations not back in part by evidence and research, I run a patient-centered practice, and don’t treat when I shouldn’t and treat when I should, and I do not try to see how many times I can run a patient through my doors based on the idea that I’m going to prevent some sort of mythical loss of curve issue 30 years in the future. Folks, we’re highly educated. It doesn’t happen that way and in 2019, we damn well know it doesn’t happen that way.

Your bank account might not like it but your patients will and they’ll know you care and they’ll know you’re different than the rest when you’re worried about them and NOT their wallet or their purse. 

The golden rule isn’t just for kiddos. IT’s for everyone regardless of age. Treat others the way you want to be treated. If you want to be treated a million times through your life because you may lose some degree of curvature in your neck, then 10/4, rock on with your bad self. 

I for one have no interest in that for myself so I’d never recommend it to anyone. Why would I? Other than financial motivation of course.

I wouldn’t.  

Before we sign off here, I made some awesome evidence-informed brochures and posters for your offices. Go check them out at the store link at chiropracticfoward.com 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

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Bibliography

  • Abbasi J (2019). “For Mortality, Busting the Myth of 10 000 Steps per Day.” JAMA Open 322(6): 492-493.
  • Green R, L. B., Hornung R, (2019). “Association Between Maternal Fluoride Exposure During Pregnancy and IQ Scores in Offspring in Canada.” JAMA Pediatr.
  • Gyer G, M. J., Indlebarger J, Tedla JS, (2019). “Spinal manipulation therapy: Is it all about the brain? A current review of the neurophysiological effects of manipulation.” J Integrative Med.
  • Mullee A, R. D., Pearson-Stuttard J, (2019). “Association Between Soft Drink Consumption and Mortality in 10 European Countries.” JAMA Open.

Healthcare Of Old – Days Gone By

CF 090: Healthcare Of Old – Days Gone By

Today we’re going to talk about how healthcare has changed – gone are the days of this and gone are the days of that. And there will be plenty of room for me to spread some personality in there too. If you’re a regular listener, you know I’m never lacking an opinion. 

But first, here’s that sweet sweet bumper music

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OK, we are back and you have found the Chiropractic Forward Podcast where we are making evidence-based chiropractic fun and accessible while we make you and your patients better all the way around. Welcome, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

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We can’t get started without mentioning the sponsor of the first half of our show, 

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That’s right. It works by using a tailor-fit video playlist that only promotes the products and services offered in your specific practice. Not only that but the videos are updated automatically on a weekly basis so there’s no need to manually update your playlist AND you don’t have to learn any complicated software. You get to just set it and forget it. And don’t we busy doctors need just that?

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We have some great stuff this week. It’s a short week due to Labor Day so this episode may run a little short and that’s OK. I try to not get too long winded. I think I went on about 45 minutes when we talked about Closing Patients two episodes ago.

But, a little gripe session never hurt anyone. If you’ve ever wondered whether Closing patients is right or wrong, get my take by going and listening to episode #88. I lay it out pretty clearly there. 

And don’t forget, last week’s podcast about Fibromyalgia. New info on fibro and treatment. Good stuff there in episode #89

Item #1

I want to start with an article that kind of struck me as…..huh….interesting. It’s called ‘The Old Days of Medicine Are Gone” by Michael Weiss(Weiss M 2019) and it was published in MedPage Today on January 17, 2019. Hot potato, heads up now. 

Weiss is a cardiologist and I have cited this article in the show notes over at chiropracticforward.com. This article refers to medical doctors specifically but there are a lot of parallels that we doctors of chiropractic can relate to. 

The article starts by saying that in the last 5-6 years, physicians have become less and less powerful. So have their patients. This disempowerment is due to a lot of things according to this article. Chief among them are:

  • Health management organizations
  • Managed care and 
  • The insurance exchange

Mr. Weiss says that all of these factors have taken power from the doctors and put the power into the hands of the large insurance companies and in the hands of the government. Well, that’s been going on for at least a generation. 

I remember a pencil pusher with an insurance company several years ago, a person who doesn’t have any kind of degree other than following prompts on a computer…..I remember them telling me how to treat a patient. What they needed. How many times….I was stunned. I will just say that I had a strongly worded conversation that I’m certain went in one ear, bounced around in that dude’s empty noggin, and fell out the other without making any impact. 

But I remember thinking, we are allowing insurance companies, the guys with a financial stake and a financial bias, we are allowing these people to tell us how and when to treat patients when they’ve never seen them in their lives. These patients are just numbers on a page to these companies and they’re going to tell us how to treat them. 

Same goes for the government. Whether it’s a popular opinion or not, makes not one damn to me. I’m going to tell you that when you put all of your healthcare decisions in the hands of one big fat, red-taped fat bureuacratic entity that has already screwed up Medicare and Social Security for no reason at all, due to both sides of a messed up aisle, well, you are once again numbers on a page and sometimes you get what you deserve. Of course that doesn’t mean everything’s peachy and we don’t need some changes to the healthcare system. We most certainly do. Universal healthcare medicare for all though…..I don’t see how that is the solution. Again, one fat, slow, dumb entity that has a history of screwing up big programs isn’t what I personally want making all of the healthcare decisions for me and my family but to each their own. 

Getting back to the article, Mr. Weiss says this physician disempowerment was basically a money grab on the parts of these powers and on the part of the pharmaceutical industry. Well…..of course. I think all that goes without saying doesn’t it? But I’m glad someone is indeed actually saying it. We should be shouting it out loud but, will it change anything? Politicians won’t do anything about it when big pharma is in their pockets and they’re scared of the insurance companies. 

Anyway, he says that doctors’ incomes have been progressively on the decline for years. Can i get an ‘amen’ on that my people. Testify!!  He says this cash-strapped generation of physicians have been forced out of private practice into working for hospitals and huge conglomerates and that gone are the days of Wednesday off for golf, gone are the days of being called a doctor rather than a provider, gone are the days of being respected, gone are the days when patient’s would say “But what does the doctor say?” rather than “Will the insurance pay?”, gone are the days when a physician could direct care they deemed necessary. Even the prescription pad is becoming useless since insurance doesn’t cover a lot of the scripts written these days. 

He says gone are the days when a physician could sit down and perform a detailed and thorough examination. Instead, we have be busted down to being typists, chaotic clerks, mindlessly clucking away at meaningless electronic health records benefiting only large entities. Hallelujah!! 

In order to make money these days, it has to be quantity and, unfortunately, quality many times suffers. For better or worse. When your income goes down, you see more to maintain the income you have built your life around. Quality of care suffers. Not intentionally. Nobody is morally corrupt typically. It’s just a natural consequence. You have bills to pay and you’ll figure out a way. 

Take a radiologist. They used to get about $35 for reading a neck series. Now, after Obamacare, they make $7-$10. I happen to know a radiologist very well so you can trust what I’m telling you. At least here in Texas. Could be different in your area. What happens when you income gets reduced by roughly 2/3 but you still have a big house and some extra toys you have purchased? 

Maybe you have a big garage sale and get rid of the extra fat? Ah hell no, that’s not what happens. Instead of 5 films read in 30 minutes you read 10. Think you might have an elevated risk of missing something? Of course you do. 

Back to the article….I keep getting side-tracked, he says gone are the days when a physician had the luxury of utilizing their skills of observation. He says now there are cookbook guides that have become the puppet masters of the physicians. I’d like to go on record right now, as part of a profession that has no standardization whatsoever…..I’m all for researched and evidence-backed guides. I love it. Give us some guides. Hell, don’t just give them to us, FORCE us to abide by them. Please? Lol. Just make sure they weren’t generated by a damn insurance company. That’s all. 

He says gone are the days of decent hospital stays and the days of when a patient could be cured of infections from a decent stay at the hospital. Now, he claims that patients are kicked out of the hospital early and take the buggies back to their community and spread them which leads to resistant buggies. I’d argue that commonly prescribing antibiotics when it’s a virus was problematic and the cause of a lot of resistance back in the day as well? He left that out oddly enough. 

He hit on a HUGE one when he says gone are the days of reasonable costs for a doctor visit or a drug co-pay. Now, since Obamacare, we see double and triple premiums, up to $100 co-pays, and double or triple deductibles. 

This sucker continues but, before I get to the rest of it, I need to talk about one of our amazing sponsors here at the show. It’s good to support the people that support you don’t you think? Well, ChiroUp certainly supports evidence-based practices. 

If you’re a regular listener of our podcast, you know I used it since about June of 2018. Let me tell you about it. 

ChiroUp is changing the way we practice by simplifying patient education and here’s what I mean: 

In a matter of seconds, you can send condition-specific reports to your patients with recommendations for treatment, for their activities of daily living, & for their exercises. 

You can see how this saves you time – no more explaining & re-explaining your patient’s care, because they have access to it at their fingertips. 

You can be confident that your patients are getting the best possible care, because the reports are populated based on what the literature recommends and isn’t that re-assuring? All of that work has been done FOR you. 

There are more than 1000 providers worldwide using ChiroUp to empower their treatments, patients, & practice – Including myself! **Short testimony**

If you don’t know what it’s all about or you’d like to check it out, do yourself a favor and go to Chiroup.com today to get started with your FREE TRIAL – Use code Williams99 to pay only $99/month for your first 6 months

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Back to the article, Mr. Weiss says gone are the days of visiting an ER and getting immediate care as if illness is the priority. Instead, we gotta get that co-pay covered first. 

He claims the days of physicians not having to worry about a patients insurance are gone. But…haven’t those days been gone since the 80’s or so? Honestly? That’s not something new. He says though that the insurance companies have encouraged minute clinics where the nurse pracs, and he says soon the pharmacists, will be giving the medical advice. 

He doesn’t seem to like this idea much but he’s OK with people waiting for hours to see a ‘physician’ because there aren’t enough of them. I’m pretty OK with nurse practitioners for the more mundane stuff. Plus, in my experience, NPs are more likely to refer to chiropractors for whatever reason. 

While Mr. Weiss is right to some extent, a lot of this is just whining in my opinion. The traditional physician doctor had their run with all of the power, the glory, and the golden ticket they cash when they get their medical degree. And, to an extent, they damn well still have a certain amount of power, glory, and golden ticket status. Although to a lesser extent currently. Admittedly. 

It’s one of the last quotes of the article that gets my goat a bit. He says, “Physicians’ voices have been drowned out, their plights buried, leaving their patients helpless,,,,”

Well freaking whaaaa Weiss. Yes, chiropractic has the status it has in healthcare right now because a certain portion of its practitioners refuse to progress. In fact, they work to inhibit any progress and cripple any efforts to expand the profession. Yep, it’s there and it’s undeniable but, when we talk about having voices drowned out, plights buried, and helpless patients, let’s go a little deeper. 

I’ve said it a million times but the medical field is going to look back on spinal fusions in 20 years and wonder what the hell they were thinking. I think I heard where lumbar fusion surgery has gone up 500+% in the last decade or so with little to zero hard stats that show any improvement in outcomes. 

Oh looky there, I see a herniation. Let’s cut that out and you should be good as new. We know so much more now. We know you can’t cut out pain. We know you don’t treat an image. You treat the patient in front of you because most of the time, there is little to no correlation between what you see on an x-ray and what the person’s pain generator is. 

We know now that chronic pain is mostly in the central nervous system. Not out in some peripheral part of the body. You cannot typically get rid of chronic pain by cutting something out. We know more and more now that it just doesn’t work that way. 

Yet, I feel confident promising you that right now, several fusions across the country are taking place. As I type this out. We also know that less than half of those fusion surgeries will be successful, right?

We know this stuff. Yet, they continue. Unabated. So, while I agree that insurance, the government, and the whole managed care concept have screwed up our healthcare system, I would say that physicians have played very key parts in their own downfall. Hello….opioid crisis anyone? Unnecessary surgery? Surgeries for the wrong candidates? Super bugs from overprescribing? Any of this ringing any bells? 

Have you heard the podcast called Dr. Death? Basically, a so called spinal surgeon down in Plano, TX maimed several patients and even killed several and the hospitals protected him and enabled him to keep hurting people over and over and over again. 

It’s not just insurance companies and big pharma that has cause any fall from grace. And let’s be clear, I don’t think there’s been a fall from grace. Go to a hospital and see the interactions. Everyone still defers very clearly to the physician and I don’t see that changing. It’s just now they have to work more, follow rules, and get paid less. I think that’s the big gripe. 

And to that I’d say, welcome to my world friend. Welcome to my world. 

But again, it’s not just the system. Medical doctors have done their part. And, as a chiropractor, I’d argue that part of that is they have largely ignored the American College of Physicians’ recommendations to try spinal manipulative therapy, exercise, massage, acupuncture, yoga, thai chi, and heat first for back pain. 

Those are the first-line recommendations and they are in concert with The Lancet papers on low back pain, the CDC, the FDA, the Joint Commission, The White House, and just about anyone else with any sense at all when it comes to non-complicated musculoskeletal pain. Yet, as I said, fusions are going on all over the country right now. As I speak. That’s when only 5% of back pain sufferers truly need surgery. 

When does someone truly need spinal surgery? When they hurt? Nope. Not usually anyway. Remember, you can’t cut pain out. Outside of an obvious case of a spinal fracture, tumor…..the bad bad stuff….I think it’s commonly accepted that surgery is necessary in a loss of bowel or bladder function, saddle anesthesia – cauda equina- type stuff, or a progressive neural deficits. 

So, if only 5% of back pain sufferers truly need surgery, why are so many still happening every day? After all of the research and after all of the updated recommendations?

Well, I’d say it’s financial. Get this, according to the American Medical Group Association’s Physician Compensation Survey says their research spine surgeons make $688,500 a damn year on average. 

Me personally, I’m doing pretty well in practice. But, it took me 16 years before I really started putting the pedal to the metal. Now part of that was my fault because I was traveling around playing music. Part of it was chiropractic’s fault because we have a system that eats its own. 

Either way, check this out, it took me 16 or so years to really build but, for an orthopedic surgeon, during the first two years of employment, bring in $400k and by their third year, $670k. Allied Physicians reported the maximum orthopedic spine surgeon salary was $1,352,000. 

Crazy. We have some chiropractors that make that kind of money but it’s not many and it’s not very likely. 

Anyway, I agree with some aspects of the article. Other aspects make me chuckle because, although it’s to a much lesser extent, physicians of our day are dealing with some of the things we’ve been dealing with for years and years. 

If we could just communicate with them the fact that we evidence-based chiropractors can play such a big part in helping them treat their patients and getting them back to work and back to life, I probably would have more sympathy. 

Hell, people come to us because we’re experts in what we do, because we are safe, and because we’re effective but, a large part of the medical field looks at us like stumbling idiots playing doctor and hurting our patients. While that may be true for some in our profession as well as for some in THEIR profession (hello Dr. Death), for the most part, we are all highly educated, highly capable doctors getting patients well. 

Maybe when they begin seeing us in that light, we start to see some sort of deeper, more meaningful integration. It’s started here and there in some pockets of awesomeness but not in general. It’s still a goal worth chasing. 

That’s assuming we chiropractors can get our of our own way. Otherwise, if I were a medical doctor, I wouldn’t want any part of something I could only explain as pseudoscience. I WOULD however be interested in a healthcare discipline that had the randomized controlled trials backing the meat of their modality. Count me in on that. 

And that’s the way I see it today. 

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If you’re like me, you get tired of answering the same old questions. Well, these brochures make great ways of educating while saving yourself time and breath. They’re also great for putting in take-home folders. 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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About the Author & Host

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Bibliography

Weiss M (2019). “The old days of medicine are gone.” Medpage Today – KevinMD.com.

Sports Performance / Chiropractic Care Standardization / Proprioception

CF 086: Sports Performance / Chiropractic Care Standardization / Proprioception 

Today we’re going to talk about Sports Performance / Chiropractic Care Standardization / Proprioception 

But first, here’s that arm like a big fuzzy coat bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have tripped into Episode #86 and when I say tripped, I don’t mean so much the LSD kind of trip but more like the I’m an idiot and fell face first in a room full of people sort of tripped. So, welcome you fools!! Lol. I kid, I joke. I’m honored to have you here today. We have some good stuff to cover. 

Before we get started, let’s talk about GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that elminates the need for cable TV or looping the same DVDs over and over again in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living. To encourage referrals and to present the benefits of all of the different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailor-fit video playlist that only promotes the products and services available in your practice. Not only that but the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s nothing complicated. You truly can just set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions. That’s CFP19, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice. Your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription and you can’t hardly beat that deal. 

Go visit GoChiroMedia.com to check out the demo reels and get started on your free trial. Take your practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Personal Happenings

I always feel that, if I share personal experiences with you guys, first you’ll know me as a person better and I don’t see anything wrong with that. Second, you may identify and sympathize. Third, if you can’t necessarily identify with what I go through, you may be able to learn from it if you get to that point. 

With that I’ll say that 2019 has been quite the year for us around my office. New faces, lots of new patients, and less and less time to do things outside of seeing patients. My work/life balance is out of balance at the moment and I’m afraid my health is starting to show some dents in the armor. 

I think I have an undiagnosed anxiety thing and, typically, I’m very good at managing anxiety and stress and having 4 or 5 balls up in the air at the same time. I’m a juggler people. And I have been for quite a long time. 

But, in January, something clicked. Something changed. I don’t say this to brag. I say this to explain. My practice numbers just started to climb during a time that we are traditionally slow. Really slow. The holidays are usually a time when you just know you’re going to have extra time to catch up on all of those things that have been piling up in front of you. Back to school time as well right? It’s always been a down time for me for one reason or another. 

Yeah, well, not this year. The holidays only got busier. Much busier. The kids go back to school in two weeks and there’s been no slow down this Summer. Which is awesome. But my problem is, I don’t know what I did to cause the influx. If I knew, you better believe I’d be repeating it!! Over and over and over. 

The end story is, growing is great but growing can be stressful. That’s why they call it growing pains right? Think about it: how many staff member do I need to handle the patient load? Am I over staffed or understaffed? Do I need an associate? Which one is the right one? Will they take care of things like it’s their own and they care? Where do I get good contract for one? I have a bathroom that needs tiled and I have an Air conditioner that need’s replaced. My dog pissed on the carpet this morning. Blah blah blah. 

You all know how it goes. Every aspect of practice has stressors. When you’re new in practice and don’t have a heavy load, you’re sitting looking at your watch, playing on the computer, hopegully you’re out marketing, and you’re stressed about how you’re going to provide for your family. 

I’m aware that being too busy is a nice problem to have. I don’t want to come off as a spoiled brat here. I’m just saying that I have been stressed and it’s starting to affect me a bit. We have been blessed and we are going to take blessings and we are going to turn them into more blessings for us and for our patients and staff. 

It’s just getting through some of the mud and muck along the way. I just need to keep my anxiety under the surface a little longer. Lol. So that nobody thinks I’m insane. 

I’ve fooled them this long haven’t I?

On another note, Charlie Manson. Y’all, I was fascinated by their shenanigans when I was in high school but got over it. Every now and then I’ll see something about it and I’ll perk up and listen but I went to see the new movie Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. 

I’ve been seeing where some hate it and some love it and I’ve seen a bunch of ehhh comments but I gotta tell you. I’m firmly in the hell yeah category. Brad Pitt and Leo DiCaprio knocked that sucker straight out of the parking out onto the parking lot. It was funny, it was vintage, it was nostalgic, and no…..of course it didn’t happen that way but it was excellent. 

If you went, shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com and tell me what you thought. I can share you thoughts next week on the podcast. Or you can get on our Facebook page or our private Facebook group and we can discuss. 

Item #1

Let’s get to our first item here. It’s titled “The effects of spinal manipulation on performance-related outcomes in healthy asymptomatic adult population: a systematic review of best evidence” and written by Meliss Corso, Silvan Mior, Satrah Batley, et. al. It was published in BMC Chiropractic and Manual Therapies in June 2019. Brand new…..hot stuff people. (Corso M 2019)

Why They Did It

The authors wanted to perform a systematic review regarding the effect spinal manipulative therapy has on athletic performance in asymptomatic adults. 

What They Found

They concluded “The preponderance of evidence suggests that SMT in comparison to sham or other interventions does not enhance performance-based outcomes in asymptomatic adult population. All studies are exploratory with immediate effects. In the few studies suggesting a positive immediate effect, the importance of such change is uncertain. Further high-quality performance specific studies are required to confirm these preliminary findings.”

That doesn’t mean we can’t help with pain and discomfort which aids in better performance. But it does suggest that, if a person feels great, getting spinal manipulative therapy isn’t very likely to make any difference in how fast they are or how far they can throw. 

Item #2

This one is called “The Chiropractic Hospital-Based Interventions Research Outcomes Study: Consistency of Outcomes Between Doctors of Chiropractic Treating Patients With Acute Lower Back Pain” by JA Quan, et. al and was published in the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics in June 2015 so 4 years old. (Quon JA 2015)

Why They Did It

The aim of this study was to determine if effectiveness differs between community-based doctors of chiropractic administering standardized evidence-based care that includes high-velocity low-amplitude spinal manipulative therapy (SMT) for acute low back pain (LBP).

How They Did It

  • A secondary analysis of randomized controlled trial and observational pilot study data was performed with nonrandom allocation to 4 DCs. 
  • Patients included those with Quebec Task Force categories less than or equal to 2 and acute LBP of 2 to 4 weeks’ duration. 
  • The intervention included high-velocity low-amplitude SMT. 
  • Outcomes assessed using Roland Disability Questionnaire (RDQ) at 24 weeks. 

What They Found

The findings of this study show that regardless of the treating DC, most patients with acute LBP without radiculopathy appear to experience consistent levels of improvement in terms of BP and general PF after receiving guidelines-based treatment that include s a component of standardized HVLA SMT.

If we dive into the paper, they mention that until now, inconcsistency hasn’t been regarded as a significant barrier to chiropractors getting referrals from the medical realm. Butthere are guarded attitudeds about chiropractors when we’re talking about quality of care and that’s been confirmed in other papers. 

In fact, in a survey of 487 Canadian and American orhtopedic surgeons, they found that about 71% of them held either a neutral or a negative view of chiropractors. That means only 29% of them looked at us in a positive way. 29%. Dammit

Also, when you break down that 71% of neutral or negative….you get 26% were neutral but 45% were in the negative category. Dammit. 

73% of orthopedic surgeons thought chiropractors provided unnecessary treatment. Yeah, they’d probably just do better if you intubated them, knocked them completely out, and drove screws through the bones of their spine to fixate the segments on top of each other and then sewed them back up, and then sent them home with a bunch of pills. That’d probably be much more necessary. Sure thing chief. 

Hell, 52% of them thought chiropractors make their patients dependent on short-term relief. I will say that it feels good to feel good and why wouldn’t a patient want to feel good as often as they can? But putting the shoe on the other foot here, let’s assume they’re right, isn’t being addicted to safe, conservative, non-invasive treatment better than being addicted to opioids or some sort of medication? Our nation’s opioid crisis suggests it is better. 

The paper itself is really a preliminary study and meant to further knowledge and information for other papers down the line but I found it more interesting because of the orthopedic survey discussion. Pretty interesting. And….disappointing I’d add but that was 4 years ago. Maybe those numbers are changed a bit from then to now? Not sure. 

This is a great spot to take a short break to talk about ChiroUp. If you’re a regular listener of our podcast, you I use it and I’ve told everyone how amazing it is since about June of 2018. Well now they’re a sponsor of our show and we are really excited to have ChiroUp on board the train. 

Have you heard about the #1 online resource for chiropractors? Well, let me tell you about it. 

ChiroUp is changing the way we practice by simplifying patient education and here’s what I mean: 

In a matter of seconds, you can send condition-specific reports to your patients with recommendations for treatment, for their activities of daily living, & for their exercises. 

You can see how this saves you time – no more explaining & re-explaining your patient’s care, because they have access to it at their fingertips. 

You can be confident that your patients are getting the best possible care, because the reports are populated based on what the literature recommends and isn’t that re-assuring? All of that work has been done FOR you. 

There are more than 1000 providers worldwide using ChiroUp to empower their treatments, patients, & practice – Including myself! **Short testimony**

If you don’t know what it’s all about or you’d like to check it out, do yourself a favor and go to Chiroup.com today to get started with your FREE TRIAL – Use code Williams99 to pay only $99/month for your first 6 months

That’s ChiroUp.com and super double secret code Williams99

I’m trying to save you people some money here alright?Trust me, you’re not going wrong with ChiroUp. In fact, in studying for the Diplomate of the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists part two exam, I’m studying the orthopedic tests and videos from the ChiroUp website. It’s phenomenal. 

Anyway, on to Item #3

It’s called “Neck proprioception compensates for age-related deterioration of vestibular self-motion perception” by G Schweigart, RD Chien, and T. Mergner. It was published in Experimental Brain Research all the way back in 2002. Bringing the old man out of the archives here. (Schweigart G 2002)

Why They Did It

Vestibular functions are known to show some deterioration with age. Vestibular deterioration is often thought to be compensated for by an increase in neck proprioceptive gain. That’s what the authors were studying here….. this presumed compensatory mechanism.

What They Found

Generally, we hold that the transformation of the vestibular signal from the head down to the trunk proceeds further to include the hip and the legs as well as the haptically perceived body support surface; by this, subjects yield a notion of support kinematics in space. 

As a consequence, spatial orientation is impaired by chronic vestibular deterioration only to the extent that the body support is moving in space, while it is unimpaired (determined by proprioception alone) during body motion with respect to a stationary support.

Just to add a little sidebar here: did you know that muscle spindles are our motion detectors? Think about this. There are 16 muscle spindles per gram of muscle in our fingers. Our hands and fingers are highly sensitive with regard to proprioception arent they? Think of a musician playing with their eyes closed. 

You know exactly where your fingers are without looking at them or really even thinking about them. How about typing? You don’t look right?

Now, we only have about 2 muscle spindles per gram of muscle in the traps. Which makes sense. Why do we proprioceptively need to know where our traps are? They’re attached to our axial skeleton. They’re not going anywhere. They’re not out flapping in the wind like our hands right?

Here’s the weird deal though: in our deeper cervical muscles, we have 242 muscle spindles per gram of muscle. That IS our axial skeleton basically so why so many spindles? There’s no flapping out in the wind with the upper cervical muscles either. But, it is the connection between our head and the rest of our body. 

It is to the point that anatomists look at the upper cervical muscles as more of a proprioceptive organ rather than as simply muscles. 

Our three proprioceptive inputs are the eys, the vestibular organ, and the muscles of the upper cervical area. When you do a Romberg’s test and you remove proprioceptive input from the eyes, and the vestibular organ….., part of what you are measuring is the input from the upper cervical region. 

It’s fascinating. Absolutely fascinating when you dive off into it a bit and I encourage to do so.  

Store

Part of making your life easier is having the right patient education tools in your office. Tools that educate based on solid, researched information. We offer you that. It’s done for you. We are taking pre-orders right now for our brand new, evidence-based office brochures available at chiropracticforward.com. Just click the STORE link at the top right of the home page and you’ll be off and running. Just shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com if something is out of sorts or isn’t working correctly. 

If you’re like me, you get tired of answering the same old questions. Well, these brochures make great ways of educating while saving yourself time and breath. They’re also great for putting in take-home folders. 

Go check them out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? We won’t spam you. Just one email per week to remind you when the new episode comes out. That’s it. 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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About the Author & Host

Dr. Jeff Williams – Chiropractor in Amarillo, TX, Chiropractic Advocate, Author, Entrepreneur, Educator, Businessman, Marketer, and Healthcare Blogger & VloggerBibliography

Corso M, M. S., Batley S, (2019). “The effects of spinal manipulation on performance-related outcomes in healthy asymptomatic adult population: a systematic review of best evidence.” BMC Chiro Man Ther 27(25).

Quon JA (2015). “The Chiropractic Hospital-Based Interventions Research Outcomes Study: Consistency of Outcomes Between Doctors of Chiropractic Treating Patients With Acute Lower Back Pain.” J Man Physiol Ther 38(5): 311-323.

Schweigart G, C. R., Mergner T, (2002). “Neck proprioception compensates for age-related deterioration of vestibular self-motion perception.” Exp Brain Res 147(1): 89-97.

w/ Dr. John Van Tassel – (Part Two) Florida State Athletics, Mentoring, & Life/Work Balance

CF 083: w/ Dr. John Van Tassel – Florida State Athletics, Mentoring, & Life/Work Balance

Today we’re going to continue talking with our guest, Dr. John Van Tassell. This is part two of our interview so, if you’ve yet to listen to part one, stop now and go back one week and start there. You don’t want to miss the sage-like wisdom of this amazing chiropractic ambassador.  You are absolutely going to love listening to Dr. Van Tassel talk about Division I college sports, mentoring, and a good healthy life/work balance.

Before we get going with part two, here’s that Miami Vice-like bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have twisted and shouted your way right into Episode #83. When you have a guest from Florida, you think of gators and snakes. And Pablo Escobar and Miami Vice but we try to not get too under the table here on the Chiropractic Forward Podcast. 

Before we hop into the episode, let’s talk about GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that will eliminate the need for running cable TV or the same DVDs over and over again in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living, encourage referrals, and present the benefits of all the different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailored-fit video playlist that will only promote the products and services available at your practice, and the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s no need to manually update your playlist or learn any complicated software. You truly can set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice. Your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription. 

So visit GoChiroMedia.com (that’s g-o-c-h-i-r-o-m-e-d-i-a-.com) to check out the demo reels, and to get started on your free trial. Take you practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Go check our evidence-based brochures out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? 

How about the previous two episodes we did with Dr. Anthony Nicholson on Chronic pain? That was basically a mini-masterclass folks. I hope you know that. If you know nothing of any substance about chronic pain, the previous two episodes are your starting points. 

You have to listen to me here. Just go listen. Thank me later. He is the Niagara Falls of knowledge nuggets folks. 

In personal happenings, my family experienced some unpleasantness this past weekend. My 7 year old blue European Great Dane passed away. We got the Euro Dane because they are supposed to be heartier than their American Dane counterparts. 

They think she developed some sort of tumor that zapped her weight, had her dehydrated, and just unable to walk or do anything. Not cool. It was the opposite of anything fun but, she’s not suffering and that’s the best you can ask for on that sort of deal. 

Now on to our special guest today. INTRODUCTION

He is a heck of a communicator. Any discussion I have seen him take part in on the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance Facebook page….he’s the most thorough, most sensible, most sage-like if you will. I’ve even sent him patients all the way from where I sit here in Amarillo, TX. 

He’s the Yoda of chiropractors and I love reading his stories. If someone asks him a question, he doesn’t respond with a paragraph. He sits down and really thinks about it, considers it at length, and then responds with about a 5 paragraph guidance manual and I love it. 

Not to mention the fact that he’s one of the most accomplished you’ll find in any group anywhere. 

All of that is personal experience and fine and dandy but how about we give him an official introduction?

  • Graduating from Logan College of Chiropractic, Dr. John Van Tassel has been a chiropractor since 1991 and is the owner of Athletic and Family Chiropractic in Tallahassee, Florida. 
  • He has been an adjunct professor at Tallahassee Community College and Florida State University. 
  • He has been the FCA Sports Council Doctor of the Year
  • The ProSport Chiropractic Doctor of the Year for the Southeast Region
  • And has been a contributing author in various publications

What really gets one’s attention about Dr. Van Tassel is that he is the team chiropractor for the Florida State Seminoles. A perennial powerhouse of anything athletic in the SEC. 

We’re going to talk about all of it and you’re going to be fascinated so here we go. 

Let’s welcome to the show, the pride of Tallahassee, Dr. John Van Tassel. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your schedule to be with us today. 

Let’s start with a little humor. The first thing I want to know is…..what in the heck is up with Florida? There was even a Facebook game going around for a while where you just Google your birthday and the words “Florida man…” Lol. Are Floridians just inherently crazy?

Tell me….we all have a story that got us where we are. I always like to ask this question because chiropractic is a bit of a niche choice when choosing a career. What was your story toward being a chiropractor?

Now I noticed you’re originally from North Carolina. Why the move to Tallahassee. 

We became acquainted either through the evidence based chiropractic group or the forward thinking chiropractic alliance group. I can’t remember which but one of them for sure. They’re great groups. You’ll find people that are bull-headed that it’s their way or they scoff at you but that’s with any group really. Mostly….overall….they’re very friendly, very helpful, and very giving people. Giving of their experience and information as well as giving with their assistance should you need something. 

I always encourage anyone that considers themselves on the evidence-informed spectrum of the profession to join both groups. I learn SOMETHING from each of them just about every week. 

With that being said, I think you’ll agree that you are one of the more active members of the FTCA. Tell me about how you got involved with the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance and what keeps you coming back daily.

One of the things that obviously sets you apart from the run-of-the-mill chiropractor is your involvement with Florida State. Let’s start at the beginning and just talk about that for a bit. How did you get started with a D-I program? Was it a specific certification that moved you in that direction? What’s it like day to day, month to month, and year to year? And has it morphed through the years? 

In our preparation for this episode, you mentioned that you enjoy mentoring younger practitioners. With that in mind, what advice do you feel is vital for someone just starting out trying to open or build their own practice?

Continuing with the mentoring theme, what do you find to be the important aspects of maintaining a healthy work/life balance?

You seem to have a unique ability to recall things. For example, I can’t remember what I had for lunch yesterday but you can recall happenings and conversations from 20 years ago. 

I really think, and I believe most of the FTCA members would agree, that you have the best stories and should probably be working on your first book by now. 

With that in mind, can you re-tell the one you shared yesterday about the carpal tunnel patient that went to the GP who basically told her you didn’t know what you were talking about?

Now, the reason I asked for that one specifically, is because you’re in an arena where you commonly interact with other practitioners from the medical field. Are you experiencing this sort of bias against chiropractic in that world as well? Why do you think MD’s still don’t understand what it is that we do?

One of my favorite stories of your was about your Wall of Fame down your hallway. I’m sure there are plenty of recognizable names on that but your favorite is Mrs. Jones. Someone nobody outside of your practice and her personal circle would know. Is that a story you would mind sharing with us?

I want to close with this because this may be something that people can really use as the key takeaway from our time together today. 

I was reading one of your posts that went like this, “I was just thinking about something while A plumber unclogs my system at the house. I tell people, patients and students and athletes mostly, that desire and passion and determination are key. But it’s our habits that get us where we are going. We accomplish goals by developing habits.”

Now, I don’t know how a plumber brings to mind things like goals and habits but, I couldn’t agree more. What would you say are your core habits that have made the difference in your career?

You have slithered right into Episode #82. When you have a guest from Florida, you think of gators and snakes. And Pablo Escobar and Miami Vice but we try to not get too under the table here on the Chiropractic Forward Podcast. 

Before we hop into the episode, let’s talk about GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that will eliminate the need for running cable TV or the same DVDs over and over again in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living, encourage referrals, and present the benefits of all the different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailored-fit video playlist that will only promote the products and services available at your practice, and the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s no need to manually update your playlist or learn any complicated software. You truly can set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice. Your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription. 

So visit GoChiroMedia.com (that’s g-o-c-h-i-r-o-m-e-d-i-a-.com) to check out the demo reels, and to get started on your free trial. Take you practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Go check our evidence-based brochures out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? 

How about the previous two episodes we did with Dr. Anthony Nicholson on Chronic pain? That was basically a mini-masterclass folks. I hope you know that. If you know nothing of any substance about chronic pain, the previous two episodes are your starting points. 

You have to listen to me here. Just go listen. Thank me later. He is the Niagara Falls of knowledge nuggets folks. 

In personal happenings, my family experienced some unpleasantness this past weekend. My 7 year old blue European Great Dane passed away. We got the Euro Dane because they are supposed to be heartier than their American Dane counterparts. 

They think she developed some sort of tumor that zapped her weight, had her dehydrated, and just unable to walk or do anything. Not cool. It was the opposite of anything fun but, she’s not suffering and that’s the best you can ask for on that sort of deal. 

Now on to our special guest today. INTRODUCTION

He is a heck of a communicator. Any discussion I have seen him take part in on the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance Facebook page….he’s the most thorough, most sensible, most sage-like if you will. I’ve even sent him patients all the way from where I sit here in Amarillo, TX. 

He’s the Yoda of chiropractors and I love reading his stories. If someone asks him a question, he doesn’t respond with a paragraph. He sits down and really thinks about it, considers it at length, and then responds with about a 5 paragraph guidance manual and I love it. 

Not to mention the fact that he’s one of the most accomplished you’ll find in any group anywhere. 

All of that is personal experience and fine and dandy but how about we give him an official introduction?

  • Graduating from Logan College of Chiropractic, Dr. John Van Tassel has been a chiropractor since 1991 and is the owner of Athletic and Family Chiropractic in Tallahassee, Florida. 
  • He has been an adjunct professor at Tallahassee Community College and Florida State University. 
  • He has been the FCA Sports Council Doctor of the Year
  • The ProSport Chiropractic Doctor of the Year for the Southeast Region
  • And has been a contributing author in various publications

What really gets one’s attention about Dr. Van Tassel is that he is the team chiropractor for the Florida State Seminoles. A perennial powerhouse of anything athletic in the SEC. 

We’re going to talk about all of it and you’re going to be fascinated so here we go. 

Let’s welcome to the show, the pride of Tallahassee, Dr. John Van Tassel. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your schedule to be with us today. 

Let’s start with a little humor. The first thing I want to know is…..what in the heck is up with Florida? There was even a Facebook game going around for a while where you just Google your birthday and the words “Florida man…” Lol. Are Floridians just inherently crazy?

Tell me….we all have a story that got us where we are. I always like to ask this question because chiropractic is a bit of a niche choice when choosing a career. What was your story toward being a chiropractor?

Now I noticed you’re originally from North Carolina. Why the move to Tallahassee. 

We became acquainted either through the evidence based chiropractic group or the forward thinking chiropractic alliance group. I can’t remember which but one of them for sure. They’re great groups. You’ll find people that are bull-headed that it’s their way or they scoff at you but that’s with any group really. Mostly….overall….they’re very friendly, very helpful, and very giving people. Giving of their experience and information as well as giving with their assistance should you need something. 

I always encourage anyone that considers themselves on the evidence-informed spectrum of the profession to join both groups. I learn SOMETHING from each of them just about every week. 

With that being said, I think you’ll agree that you are one of the more active members of the FTCA. Tell me about how you got involved with the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance and what keeps you coming back daily.

One of the things that obviously sets you apart from the run-of-the-mill chiropractor is your involvement with Florida State. Let’s start at the beginning and just talk about that for a bit. How did you get started with a D-I program? Was it a specific certification that moved you in that direction? What’s it like day to day, month to month, and year to year? And has it morphed through the years? 

In our preparation for this episode, you mentioned that you enjoy mentoring younger practitioners. With that in mind, what advice do you feel is vital for someone just starting out trying to open or build their own practice?

Continuing with the mentoring theme, what do you find to be the important aspects of maintaining a healthy work/life balance?

You seem to have a unique ability to recall things. For example, I can’t remember what I had for lunch yesterday but you can recall happenings and conversations from 20 years ago. 

I really think, and I believe most of the FTCA members would agree, that you have the best stories and should probably be working on your first book by now. 

With that in mind, can you re-tell the one you shared yesterday about the carpal tunnel patient that went to the GP who basically told her you didn’t know what you were talking about?

Now, the reason I asked for that one specifically, is because you’re in an arena where you commonly interact with other practitioners from the medical field. Are you experiencing this sort of bias against chiropractic in that world as well? Why do you think MD’s still don’t understand what it is that we do?

One of my favorite stories of your was about your Wall of Fame down your hallway. I’m sure there are plenty of recognizable names on that but your favorite is Mrs. Jones. Someone nobody outside of your practice and her personal circle would know. Is that a story you would mind sharing with us?

I want to close with this because this may be something that people can really use as the key takeaway from our time together today. 

I was reading one of your posts that went like this, “I was just thinking about something while A plumber unclogs my system at the house. I tell people, patients and students and athletes mostly, that desire and passion and determination are key. But it’s our habits that get us where we are going. We accomplish goals by developing habits.”

Now, I don’t know how a plumber brings to mind things like goals and habits but, I couldn’t agree more. What would you say are your core habits that have made the difference in your career?

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I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

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Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

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We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

Website

Social Media Links

https://www.facebook.com/chiropracticforward/

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Dr. Jeff Williams – Chiropractor in Amarillo, TX, Chiropractic Advocate, Author, Entrepreneur, Educator, Businessman, Marketer, and Healthcare Blogger & Vlogger

w/ Dr. John Van Tassel – Chiropractor for Florida State on Mentorship, Work-Life Balance, & Life Long Lessons (Part One)

Today we’re going to talk with one of the neatest gentlemen I have had the honor of interacting with in the last couple of years. You are absolutely going to love this conversation with Dr. John Van Tassel from Tallahassee, Florida about being a chiropractor for Florida State, a Division I college. You just wait, you’ll see what I mean. 

But first, here’s that sneaky like a Florida gator bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have slithered right into Episode #82. When you have a guest from Florida, you think of gators and snakes. And Pablo Escobar and Miami Vice but we try to not get too under the table here on the Chiropractic Forward Podcast. 

Before we hop into the episode, let’s talk about GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that will eliminate the need for running cable TV or the same DVDs over and over again in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living, encourage referrals, and present the benefits of all the different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailored-fit video playlist that will only promote the products and services available at your practice, and the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s no need to manually update your playlist or learn any complicated software. You truly can set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice. Your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription. 

So visit GoChiroMedia.com (that’s g-o-c-h-i-r-o-m-e-d-i-a-.com) to check out the demo reels, and to get started on your free trial. Take you practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Go check our evidence-based brochures out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? 

How about the previous two episodes we did with Dr. Anthony Nicholson on Chronic pain? That was basically a mini-masterclass folks. I hope you know that. If you know nothing of any substance about chronic pain, the previous two episodes are your starting points. 

You have to listen to me here. Just go listen. Thank me later. He is the Niagara Falls of knowledge nuggets folks. 

In personal happenings, my family experienced some unpleasantness this past weekend. My 7 year old blue European Great Dane passed away. We got the Euro Dane because they are supposed to be heartier than their American Dane counterparts. 

They think she developed some sort of tumor that zapped her weight, had her dehydrated, and just unable to walk or do anything. Not cool. It was the opposite of anything fun but, she’s not suffering and that’s the best you can ask for on that sort of deal. 

Now on to our special guest today. INTRODUCTION

He is a heck of a communicator. Any discussion I have seen him take part in on the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance Facebook page….he’s the most thorough, most sensible, most sage-like if you will. I’ve even sent him patients all the way from where I sit here in Amarillo, TX. 

He’s the Yoda of chiropractors and I love reading his stories. If someone asks him a question, he doesn’t respond with a paragraph. He sits down and really thinks about it, considers it at length, and then responds with about a 5 paragraph guidance manual and I love it. 

Not to mention the fact that he’s one of the most accomplished you’ll find in any group anywhere. 

All of that is personal experience and fine and dandy but how about we give him an official introduction?

  • Graduating from Logan College of Chiropractic, Dr. John Van Tassel has been a chiropractor since 1991 and is the owner of Athletic and Family Chiropractic in Tallahassee, Florida. 
  • He has been an adjunct professor at Tallahassee Community College and Florida State University. 
  • He has been the FCA Sports Council Doctor of the Year
  • The ProSport Chiropractic Doctor of the Year for the Southeast Region
  • And has been a contributing author in various publications

What really gets one’s attention about Dr. Van Tassel is that he is the team chiropractor for the Florida State Seminoles. A perennial powerhouse of anything athletic in the SEC. 

We’re going to talk about all of it and you’re going to be fascinated so here we go. 

Let’s welcome to the show, the pride of Tallahassee, Dr. John Van Tassel. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your schedule to be with us today. 

Let’s start with a little humor. The first thing I want to know is…..what in the heck is up with Florida? There was even a Facebook game going around for a while where you just Google your birthday and the words “Florida man…” Lol. Are Floridians just inherently crazy?

Tell me….we all have a story that got us where we are. I always like to ask this question because chiropractic is a bit of a niche choice when choosing a career. What was your story toward being a chiropractor?

Now I noticed you’re originally from North Carolina. Why the move to Tallahassee. 

We became acquainted either through the evidence based chiropractic group or the forward thinking chiropractic alliance group. I can’t remember which but one of them for sure. They’re great groups. You’ll find people that are bull-headed that it’s their way or they scoff at you but that’s with any group really. Mostly….overall….they’re very friendly, very helpful, and very giving people. Giving of their experience and information as well as giving with their assistance should you need something. 

I always encourage anyone that considers themselves on the evidence-informed spectrum of the profession to join both groups. I learn SOMETHING from each of them just about every week. 

With that being said, I think you’ll agree that you are one of the more active members of the FTCA. Tell me about how you got involved with the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance and what keeps you coming back daily.

One of the things that obviously sets you apart from the run-of-the-mill chiropractor is your involvement with Florida State. Let’s start at the beginning and just talk about that for a bit. How did you get started with a D-I program? Was it a specific certification that moved you in that direction? What’s it like day to day, month to month, and year to year? And has it morphed through the years? 

In our preparation for this episode, you mentioned that you enjoy mentoring younger practitioners. With that in mind, what advice do you feel is vital for someone just starting out trying to open or build their own practice?

Continuing with the mentoring theme, what do you find to be the important aspects of maintaining a healthy work/life balance?

You seem to have a unique ability to recall things. For example, I can’t remember what I had for lunch yesterday but you can recall happenings and conversations from 20 years ago. 

I really think, and I believe most of the FTCA members would agree, that you have the best stories and should probably be working on your first book by now. 

With that in mind, can you re-tell the one you shared yesterday about the carpal tunnel patient that went to the GP who basically told her you didn’t know what you were talking about?

Now, the reason I asked for that one specifically, is because you’re in an arena where you commonly interact with other practitioners from the medical field. Are you experiencing this sort of bias against chiropractic in that world as well? Why do you think MD’s still don’t understand what it is that we do?

One of my favorite stories of your was about your Wall of Fame down your hallway. I’m sure there are plenty of recognizable names on that but your favorite is Mrs. Jones. Someone nobody outside of your practice and her personal circle would know. Is that a story you would mind sharing with us?

I want to close with this because this may be something that people can really use as the key takeaway from our time together today. 

I was reading one of your posts that went like this, “I was just thinking about something while A plumber unclogs my system at the house. I tell people, patients and students and athletes mostly, that desire and passion and determination are key. But it’s our habits that get us where we are going. We accomplish goals by developing habits.”

Now, I don’t know how a plumber brings to mind things like goals and habits but, I couldn’t agree more. What would you say are your core habits that have made the difference in your career?

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

Website

Social Media Links

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Twitter

YouTube

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iTunes

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Player FM Link

https://player.fm/series/2291021

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TuneIn

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w/ Tim Bertelsman – Chiropractic Standards, Chiropractic Specialists, Importance of State Associations

CF 073: w/ Tim Bertelsman – Chiropractic Standards, Chiropractic Specialists, Importance of State Associations

Today we’re going to be talking with Dr. Tim Bertlesman about all kinds of things. Kind of like a discussion amongst friends where anything is really on the table but we’ll hone in a little on chiropractic standardization, chiropractic specialities, and our experiences working on the state levels for our respective state associations. 

It’s going to be another great one that you’ll want to share with your colleagues but first, here’s that syrupy bumper music!

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Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Store

Part of making your life easier is having the right patient education tools in your office. Tools that educate based on solid, researched information. We offer you that. It’s done for you. We are taking pre-orders right now for our brand new, evidence-based office brochures available at chiropracticforward.com. Just click the STORE link at the top right of the home page and you’ll be off and running. Just shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com if something is out of sorts or isn’t working correctly. 

If you’re like me, you get tired of answering the same old questions. Well, these brochures make great ways of educating while saving yourself time and breath. They’re also great for putting in take-home folders. 

Go check them out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? We won’t spam you. Just one email per week to remind you when the new episode comes out. That’s it. 

F4CP

We will be launching an athletes and opioids eBook toward the end of this month. It’s called A case for chiropractic disrupting the cycle of pain, prescriptions, and addiciton. I’m linking it in the show notes so go get and check it out. 

https://www.f4cp.org/package/home/viewfile/whiathletes-and-opioids-ebook

DACO

Let’s talk a bit about the DACO program. Well, our guest today is intimately involved with the DACO here in America and, in fact, is the one that unknowingly got me into this whole thing. 

I finished it. It’s all done. I’m just going ot start studying for the exams now. The first one will be on July 20th. If I come back from that one with my dobber in the dirt, then it didn’t go so well but we don’t plan on that happening. 

Since our guest is a big part of it all, we’re going to leave the DACO talk there and meet him. 

Our guest graduated from Logan College of Chiropractic in 1991. He then went on to get his CCSP there at Logan as well finishing those up in 1994. 

In addition to the CCSP, he is a DACO, a Diplomate of the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists and is an instructor for their live hours. So he gets to travel around getting unsusepcting and impressionable docs involved in the DACO. 

He is not only a member of the ACA and the Illinois Chiropractic Society, but is also a former President of the Illinois Chiropractic Society. 

He is also, and maybe most-importantly, the co-founder of ChiroUp which has to be seen to be believed quite honestly. You can do that by going to ChiroUp.com. I’m a member and you probably will want to be as well. 

Let’s get it started here. Welcome to the show Dr. Tim Bertlesman. Thank you for joining me today. 

  1. 300 hours later – I want to thank you for getting me into this mess called the DACO. I’m blaming it all on you and Bill Lawson. 
  2. Tell me about your journey into chiropractic
  3. From your CV, I see that you did the CCSP right out of school. What all have you done through that specific certification?
  4. Can you tell us the most striking difference between the two other than one is more geared toward sports?
  5. Tell me about your practice, what does it look like, who do you see mostly?
  6. Tell me about your journey into the DACO and what benefits you have personally realized from it.
  7. You and your business partner, Dr. Brandon Steele, do a great job at staying on top of the most current research. How do you do that? What are your sources?
  8. I want to hear a little about this friendly rivalry between you and Dr. Steele. 
  9. Did you realize that when I put your name into a Google search to learn a little more about you that Bertlesman Chiropractic pulled up with Dr. Steele’s picture on it? I think his evil plan is beginning to come to fruition. 
  10. When I had Dr. Steele on the show, we talked a bit about Standardization…as in making expectations more uniform for patients visiting chiropractic offices….. and we talked about Specialization such as through the DACO or the CCSP or CSCS. Can you share your thoughts on those two topics for us? 
  11. Tell me about your involvement with your state association and what it has meant to you both personally and professionally
  12. What have you been able to accomplish or have you tried to accomplish legislatively? What struggles are the Illinois and Missouri chiropractors in the middle of these days?
  13. Tell me about chocolate cookies and sushi
  14. I noticed a couple of things from your ‘About Me’ page on your website that I’d love to hear more about. 
    1. The Clinical Internship – Community Health Center
    2. Hospital externship at Deaconess Medical Center
  15. If people want to get more of Tim Bertelsman, what should they do? Where do they need to go to get their ‘fix’? I know you’ll be at ChiroTexpo in downtown Dallas again this year June 7-9. What else?
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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

Website

Social Media Links

https://www.facebook.com/chiropracticforward/

Chiropractic Forward Podcast Facebook GROUP

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1938461399501889/

Twitter

YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtc-IrhlK19hWlhaOGld76Q

iTunes

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/chiropractic-forward-podcast-chiropractors-practicing/id1331554445?mt=2

Player FM Link

https://player.fm/series/2291021

Stitcher:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-chiropractic-forward-podcast-chiropractors-practicing-through

TuneIn

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About the Author & Host

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Kids Need A Rest, Chiropractic In Europe, & Exercise For Chronic Pain

CF 072: Kids Need A Rest, Chiropractic In Europe, & Exercise For Chronic Pain.

Today we’re going to talk about a surgeon that says let kids slow down, the shape of chiropractic in Europe, how exercise affects chronic pain.       

But first, here’s that bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have collapsed into Episode #72

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Store

Part of making your life easier is having the right patient education tools in your office. Tools that educate based on solid, researched information. We offer you that. It’s done for you. We are taking pre-orders right now for our brand new, evidence-based office brochures available at chiropracticforward.com. Just click the STORE link at the top right of the home page and you’ll be off and running. Just shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com if something is out of sorts or isn’t working correctly. 

If you’re like me, you get tired of answering the same old questions. Well, these brochures make great ways of educating while saving yourself time and breath. They’re also great for putting in take-home folders. 

Go check them out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? We won’t spam you. Just one email per week to remind you when the new episode comes out. That’s it. 

F4CP

We will be launching an athletes and opioids eBook toward the end of this month. It’s called A case for chiropractic disrupting the cycle of pain, prescriptions, and addiciton. I’m linking it in the show notes so go get and check it out. 

https://www.f4cp.org/package/home/viewfile/whiathletes-and-opioids-ebook

DACO

Let’s talk a bit about the DACO program

Personal Happenings

If you hear something here that you really like and would like it in written form rather than spoken, just hop onto  chiropracticforward.com, find the episode, and just scroll down to copy and paste it. If you’re using it for content or on your website for some reason, just be cool and give us some credit please. I’d sure appreciate it and I’m sure the researchers we discuss would too. 

Item #1

“Noted surgeon Dr. James Andrews wants your young athlete to stay healthy by playing less” by Dennis Manoloff of the The Plain Dealer(Manoloff D 2013). It was posted back in February of 2013 so a little old but has been making the rounds here lately in the private groups and with several colleagues. And it’s right up our alley when you consider we are also trying to keep kids out of surgery. 

Some highlights are when Dr. Andrews says they have worried for too long about patching people up rather than preventing the injury in the first place. Amen brothers and sisters. 

When asked why kids are getting hurt more and more these days, he says there are really two factors. One being that kids specialize too much now and what he calls professionalism. 

Specialization means kids are just playing one sport these days instead of being well-rounded athletes with a wide array of different activities and skills. When they’re only doing one thing and they’re doing it over and over and over…..well, that’s a recipe for surgery due to overuse.

He says ‘professionalism’ is taking these young kids that are 12 or 13 and working them like they are professional athletes with year-round training and activity. 

Advice he would give parents that can help us guide our conversations with patients and parents was 

  1. Use proper mechanics in any sport.
  2. Don’t play year round. Their kiddo needs at least two months off each year to recover from a specific sport. Ideally, 3-4 months. 

Basically, sometimes we have to look at mom and dad and say, cut it out or a surgeon will be cutting something out. 

I just made that up but you can use it if you like it. You don’t even have to give me credit for it unless you make money from it. Lol. 

Alright, Item #2, comin’ through.

Before the DACO course, chronic pain (while it should have been) was not on my radar at ALL as far as something I was interested in and something I wanted to learn to solve. It sure it now though and this next paper fits right in. 

It’s called “Exercise-induced hypoalgesia: A meta-analysis of exercise dosing for the treatment of chronic pain” by Anne Polaski, Amy Phelps, Matthew Kosted, and more(Polaski A 2019). It was published in January 2019 and I’ve cited it in the show notes. 

Why They Did It

As more and more studies are showing the effects of exercise as a first-line treatment for “nearly all forms of chronic pain,” things like dosing for different treatment modalities has not been explored just yet. 

What They Found

As you can deduce from the title, this was a meta-analysis. 

They say in the abstract, “increasing the frequency of exercise sessions per week is most likely to have a positive effect on chronic pain patients.”

In the end, as is always a part of the conclusion, more research is needed but there is a modest effect. 

Item #3

This one was in BMC Chiropractic & Manual Therapies in April of 2019. Hot stuff….comin up! It’s called “The shape of chiropractic in Europe: a corss-setional survey of chiropractor’s beliefs and practice(Gislason H 2019).” It was written by Halldor Gislason, Jari Salminen, Linn Sandhaugen, and other names I refuse to attempt at this time. 

Why They Did It

Considering the ongoing split in the profession, the authors were looking to report an adherence to unorthodox descriptiions of chiropractic and the types of chiropractic practice in Europe. 

How They Did It

They sent out an online survey amongst European chiropractors in 2017. They sent it out through social media and through the different membership associations. 

What They Found

  • They got back 1,322 responses back representing about 17.2% fo the profession. 
  • The responses were boiled down to fit into 2 different groups of practices. 
  • The two groups were categorized as orthodox and unorthodox. 
  • The orthodox group made up 80% of practitioners
  • The unorthodox group made up 20% 

Some Key Differences

  • 23% of the unorthodox chiropractors x-rayed over 50% of their new patients while the orthodox chiropractors x-rayed only 5% of theirs. 
  • The amount of unorthodox chiropractors seeing over 150 visits per week was more than double the amount seen by the orthodox chiropractor. 
  • Then, of course, there’s info demonstrating how unorthodox hates vaccines while orthodox chiros are fine with them. 

Wrap Up

They concluded by saying, “in parallel with other research, this survey suggests that key practice characteristics in contravention of national radiation guidelines or opposition to evidence based public health policy are significantly more associated with non-orthodox chiropractic paradigms.”

Now, what does that mean exactly? Well, for those of us on the evidence-informed end of the spectrum, it means that we are in concert with 80% of the profession in Canada and in Europe. From what I recall, about 80% of the profession in America is either evidence-informed or somewhere in the middle. Basically, agnostic. 

It’s not my place to argue if subluxation is a real thing or is not a real thing because I believe people define it differently. My opinion, not research because there is none to my knowledge….but my opinion is that if one defines a subluxation as something that can be removed thus fixing cancer, infections, and things like that…..well, my opinion is that that definition puts you in the unorthodox category and puts you in the 20%. 

That’s my opinion anyway and that’s worth diddly squat in the unorthodox community so, take as you may. 

We can also discuss the x-rays. I honestly have no problems with initial x-rays. I realize that flies in the face of a lot of newer guidelines but I believe that we get gut feelings that don’t fit into the definition of a ‘red flag’ per se. You damn well better get x-rays on those deals. 

I’d also say, if you have a history of x-raying every single patient that comes through the doors, that’s also putting you in the 20% that is defined as unorthodox and it’s also meaning that you’re considered an outlier. 

Outliers MUST keep an eye out if you have contracts with insurance companies. If you’re going to be an outlier, you’d best be a cash practice. Whether it be right or wrong in your opinion, insurance companies do NOT like outliers and unorthodox practitioners. And, honestly, who can blame them?

If I’m writing a bunch of checks and I have 80% of the profession over here mostly following guidelines, seeing people a reasonable amount of visits, I’m going to be cool with that 80%. If I have 20% of guys and girls over here seeing people 100 times per year when they have absolutely zero pain and taking repeated x-rays through the year, well…..if I’m writing those checks, I’m going to have a problem with that 20% at least 100% of the time. 

Do whatever you’re going to do but you should give at least SOME consideration to what I’m saying. 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

Website

Social Media Links

https://www.facebook.com/chiropracticforward/

Chiropractic Forward Podcast Facebook GROUP

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1938461399501889/

Twitter

YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtc-IrhlK19hWlhaOGld76Q

iTunes

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Player FM Link

https://player.fm/series/2291021

Stitcher:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-chiropractic-forward-podcast-chiropractors-practicing-through

TuneIn

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About the Author & Host

Dr. Jeff Williams – Chiropractor in Amarillo, TX, Chiropractic Advocate, Author, Entrepreneur, Educator, Businessman, Marketer, and Healthcare Blogger & Vlogger

Bibliography

Gislason H, S. J., Sandhaugen L, (2019). “The shape of chiropractic in Europe: a cross sectional survey of chiropractor’s beliefs and practice.” BMC Chiro Man Ther 27(16).

Manoloff D (2013). “Noted surgeon Dr. James Andrews wants your young athlete to stay healthy by playing less.” The Plain Dealer.

Polaski A, P. A., Kostek M, (2019). “Exercise-induced hypoalgesia: A meta-analysis of exercise dosing for the treatment of chronic pain.” PLoS One.

w/ Dr. Christine Goertz – Chiropractic Research, What Does The Science Say, And Where Are We Going?

Today, we have one of the giants of chiropractic research as our guest. I will go further into her background in a moment but we have Dr. Christine Goertz joining us today and, if you do not know who she is, it is time to listen up. Don’t you go anywhere because this is going to be an excellent episode full of great information. 

But first, here’s that “oh how sweet it is” bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have bounced your way into Episode #68 and we are so glad you did. 

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier. 

Store

Part of that is having the right patient education tools in your office. Tools that educate based on solid, researched information. We offer you that. It’s done for you. We are taking pre-orders right now for our brand new, evidence-based office brochures available at chiropracticforward.com. Just click the STORE link at the top right of the home page and you’ll be off and running. Just shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com if something is out of sorts or isn’t working correctly. 

If you’re like me, you get tired of answering the same old questions. Well, these brochures make great ways of educating while saving yourself time and breath. They’re also great for putting in take-home folders. 

Go check them out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? We won’t spam you. Just one email per week to remind you when the new episode comes out. That’s it. 

Guest Introduction

Christine Goertz, D.C., Ph.D., is the Chief Operating Officer of the Spine Institute for Quality. She is also an Adjunct Associate at the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, Duke University Medical Center and Adjunct Professor in the Department of Epidemiology, College of Public Health at the University of Iowa. Prior to joining Spine IQ, she was Vice Chancellor of Research and Health Policy at Palmer College of Chiropractic for eleven years. 

Dr. Goertz received her Doctor of Chiropractic (D.C.) degree from Northwestern Health Sciences University in 1991 and her Ph.D. in Health Services Research, Policy and Administration from the School of Public Health at the University of Minnesota in 1999. Her 25-year research career has focused on working with multi-disciplinary teams to design and implement clinical and health services research studies designed to increase knowledge regarding the effectiveness and cost of complementary and integrative healthcare delivery.

She has extensive experience in the administration of Federal grants, both as a PI and as a program official at the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Dr. Goertz has received nearly $32M in federal funding as either principal investigator or co-principal investigator, primarily from NIH and the Department of Defense, and has authored or co-authored more than 100 peer-reviewed papers. Her primary area of focus is the investigation of patient-centered, non-pharmacological treatments for spine-related disorders. Dr. Goertz is a former member of the NIH/NCCIH National Advisory Council and currently serves on the Board of Governors for the Patient Centered Outcomes Research Institute (PCORI), where she has assumed numerous leadership roles. In September 2018 Dr. Goertz was appointed to a 3-year term as Vice Chair of the PCORI Board by the Comptroller General of the United States. 

Welcome to the show Dr. Goertz. I can’t tell you how excited I am to have on our podcast. 

Can I first ask you what was the impetus for your wanting to get into the research end of the profession? How do you come to the decision to dive into research full-time vs. treating patients day-to-day like so many of us do?

I noticed on your CV that you are currently an adjunct professor with the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina and also an Adjunct Professor in the Department of Epidemiology, College of Public Health, University of Iowa. All the while, you are working with The Pine Institue for Quality (AKA Spine IQ). Can you tell us what a regular day looks like for you?

Whether you know it or not, you have been a game-changer for this profession. You have, likely unknowingly, played a big part in some of our podcast episodes. I want to start with a paper we covered. I called it The Veterans Paper and it was HUGE. Though I call it the Veterans Paper, you say it was done as part of the Department of Defense. I wonder….did you notice anything BIG after it was published in JAMA? Was it, in your opinion, any more impactful than your other papers?

Here’s what happened as soon as that paper came out from my perspective; almost immediately, we began getting interest from our local VA and, once we completed credentialing, we started seeing referrals. Before that paper…..nothing. No interest. I don’t know if you’re ready to take all of the credit for that but I’m going to give it to your regardless. On behalf of the entire evidence-informed chiropractic profession, thank you for that. 

In emails we have exchanged leading up to our time together today, you mentioned you have a large pragmatic trial funded by the NIH in the VA. Can you tell us anything about that?

In your work called “Insurer Coverage of Nonpharmacological Treatments for Low Back Pain – Time for a Change” published in JAMA October 2015, you say there are no policies emphasizing nonpharma treatment at the forefront of the patient experience, no meaningful levels of coverage for care professionals focussing on nonpharma therapy, and no policies providing financial incentives in favor of nonpharma. I have seen your work make huge differences but have to admit, I’m still seeing reimbursements for chiropractors being a challenge. We have folks out here struggling in practice in spite of everything in our favor. Have you experienced any changes after this came out in JAMA? Can we expect these sentiments you describe to gather steam in the next year or so?

In another piece of yours called “What does research reveal about chiropractic costs?” you say something I want to commend you on. You say, “without a doubt, the most common issues raised by those outside the profession relate to the quality and consistency of chiropractic care delivery.” I think we can all agree that standardization is likely the biggest hurdle our profession faces in regard to integration. Do you believe chiropractic residency training would better prepare chiropractic providers to offer high quality care within medical facilities?

I’m currently over 2/3 of the way through the Diplomate for the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists. I see the value every day but, in your opinion, should Board Certification become the norm for chiropractic providers rather than the exception?

In that same paper, when talking about costs for chiropractic care you point out that we are likely equal or less in cost. You say, “In particular, it appears that patients who visit a chiropractor are less likely to undergo hospitalization, resulting in lower global healthcare costs than those who receive medical care only.” Do you feel that the medical field is coming to the point they are seeing our potential in improvement as well as our cost-effectiveness on more of a widespread scale or are there just little pockets here and there? Is the medical field starting to catch on but the insurance companies are still not allowing the change? What are you seeing on your end of things?

You recently were part of a paper that was published just this year, 2019, called, “Effect of chiropractic manipulative therapy on reaction time in special operations forces military personnel: a randomized controlled trial.” I really have to talk to you researchers about trying to shorten the names of these papers. 

Anyway, you all concluded on that one that one session of chiropractic manipulative therapy had immediate effect of reducing the time required for asymptomatic special operations forces to complete a complex whole-body motor response task. Tell me….what are we looking at here? Where is this line of research leading future research?

I personally love it and think it has extremely high value so when I ask you this question, please don’t take it as a negative. Are you responsible for instigating the Palmer-Gallup Poll? What were the main goals for starting it and has it lived up to the original thought process behind its beginning? 

I thought this was an interesting question. A listener and member of our private group on Facebook, Dr. Trent Peng, suggested I ask you which chiropractic adjustment techniques are sufficiently evidence-based in the scientific literature?

In an article by Lisa Rappaport, called “Adding chiropractic to back pain care may reduce disability,” she interviewed you for the article. She had a quote in the article from you that said, “Spinal manipulation (often referred to as chiropractic adjustment) may help heal tissues in your body that form as a result of injury, decreasing pain and improving your body’s ability to move correctly.” 

The other was, “It is also possible that manipulation impacts the way that your body perceives pain through either the brain or the spinal cord and/or decreases pain from muscle strain, inflammation and/or spasm in the muscles next to your spine.” 

The first comment I have on this is that I love the second quote because there is more and more information coming out about what part the central nervous system plays in regard to pain. Pain sensitization, movement dysfunction, joint proprioception and thing of that nature. I thought that quote brought some of that into consideration without getting too complicated for a normal reader. So, kudos on that!

I remember thinking to myself that there are a lot of “may help” and “it is possible” kind of language. I understand that researchers shouldn’t formulate opinions or conclusions in definite terms or absolutes and I completely understand that, but my question to this point is do you ever see a time that all chiropractors can say with a high degree of confidence exactly what happens and exactly why it helps people heal or feel better?

I was sent a paper I believe you have in progress called “Assessment of chiropractic care on strength, balance, and endurance in active-duty US military personnel with low back pain: a protocol for a randomized controlled trial. In the Background section, you all say, Chiropractic care may facilitate the strengthening of trunk muscles, the alteration of sensory and motor signaling, and a reduction in pain sensitivity, which may contribute to improving strength, balance, and endurance for individuals with low back pain.”

As you probably know, here in Texas, we are in a perpetual battle against the Texas Medical Association. Recently, they won a decision that was upheld on appeal to remove the ‘neuro’ snippet from our scope description of treatment the neuromusculoskeletal system. Essentially, they say we only treat the musculoskeletal system. With the research you have done and are currently involved in, what do you say to this?

What has been your favorite project or finding you have been a part of so far?

What has been your favorite paper, project, or finding that a colleague has written but you were not a part of?

What conclusion have you had to draw at the end of a paper that surprised you the most?

How do you see quality research translating into a greater level of inter-professional collaboration and how do you see the future of chiropractic unfolding in terms of integration into the healthcare system?

A tie-in question here, where do you see the profession in 10 years?

I know that low back is one of the biggest reasons for disability worldwide, if not the biggest. It deserves the attention it has received. We have research on low back pain now to the point that even traditional chiropractic detractors can’t really argue all that much with us on low back pain. But we still have a fight on our hands when it comes to cervical manipulation. My question is why do you think we don’t see more research for cervical manipulation and do you see the spotlight ever changing and the research beginning to focus on cervical manipulation and the benefits for neck pain and headache/migraine?

In the private Chiropractic Forward Facebook Group, we are curious….what are you up to right now? What are you working on? 

Apart from what you are working on right now, what are your goals in regard to research in the next 10 years?

Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to join us. I hope our listeners got as much use out of our talk as I did. I truly believe that our profession is where it is and going the direction it’s going in large part because of you an d your efforts. 

And I thank you so much. 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

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