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w/ Dr. John Van Tassel – (Part Two) Florida State Athletics, Mentoring, & Life/Work Balance

CF 083: w/ Dr. John Van Tassel – Florida State Athletics, Mentoring, & Life/Work Balance

Today we’re going to continue talking with our guest, Dr. John Van Tassell. This is part two of our interview so, if you’ve yet to listen to part one, stop now and go back one week and start there. You don’t want to miss the sage-like wisdom of this amazing chiropractic ambassador.  You are absolutely going to love listening to Dr. Van Tassel talk about Division I college sports, mentoring, and a good healthy life/work balance.

Before we get going with part two, here’s that Miami Vice-like bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have twisted and shouted your way right into Episode #83. When you have a guest from Florida, you think of gators and snakes. And Pablo Escobar and Miami Vice but we try to not get too under the table here on the Chiropractic Forward Podcast. 

Before we hop into the episode, let’s talk about GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that will eliminate the need for running cable TV or the same DVDs over and over again in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living, encourage referrals, and present the benefits of all the different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailored-fit video playlist that will only promote the products and services available at your practice, and the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s no need to manually update your playlist or learn any complicated software. You truly can set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice. Your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription. 

So visit GoChiroMedia.com (that’s g-o-c-h-i-r-o-m-e-d-i-a-.com) to check out the demo reels, and to get started on your free trial. Take you practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Go check our evidence-based brochures out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? 

How about the previous two episodes we did with Dr. Anthony Nicholson on Chronic pain? That was basically a mini-masterclass folks. I hope you know that. If you know nothing of any substance about chronic pain, the previous two episodes are your starting points. 

You have to listen to me here. Just go listen. Thank me later. He is the Niagara Falls of knowledge nuggets folks. 

In personal happenings, my family experienced some unpleasantness this past weekend. My 7 year old blue European Great Dane passed away. We got the Euro Dane because they are supposed to be heartier than their American Dane counterparts. 

They think she developed some sort of tumor that zapped her weight, had her dehydrated, and just unable to walk or do anything. Not cool. It was the opposite of anything fun but, she’s not suffering and that’s the best you can ask for on that sort of deal. 

Now on to our special guest today. INTRODUCTION

He is a heck of a communicator. Any discussion I have seen him take part in on the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance Facebook page….he’s the most thorough, most sensible, most sage-like if you will. I’ve even sent him patients all the way from where I sit here in Amarillo, TX. 

He’s the Yoda of chiropractors and I love reading his stories. If someone asks him a question, he doesn’t respond with a paragraph. He sits down and really thinks about it, considers it at length, and then responds with about a 5 paragraph guidance manual and I love it. 

Not to mention the fact that he’s one of the most accomplished you’ll find in any group anywhere. 

All of that is personal experience and fine and dandy but how about we give him an official introduction?

  • Graduating from Logan College of Chiropractic, Dr. John Van Tassel has been a chiropractor since 1991 and is the owner of Athletic and Family Chiropractic in Tallahassee, Florida. 
  • He has been an adjunct professor at Tallahassee Community College and Florida State University. 
  • He has been the FCA Sports Council Doctor of the Year
  • The ProSport Chiropractic Doctor of the Year for the Southeast Region
  • And has been a contributing author in various publications

What really gets one’s attention about Dr. Van Tassel is that he is the team chiropractor for the Florida State Seminoles. A perennial powerhouse of anything athletic in the SEC. 

We’re going to talk about all of it and you’re going to be fascinated so here we go. 

Let’s welcome to the show, the pride of Tallahassee, Dr. John Van Tassel. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your schedule to be with us today. 

Let’s start with a little humor. The first thing I want to know is…..what in the heck is up with Florida? There was even a Facebook game going around for a while where you just Google your birthday and the words “Florida man…” Lol. Are Floridians just inherently crazy?

Tell me….we all have a story that got us where we are. I always like to ask this question because chiropractic is a bit of a niche choice when choosing a career. What was your story toward being a chiropractor?

Now I noticed you’re originally from North Carolina. Why the move to Tallahassee. 

We became acquainted either through the evidence based chiropractic group or the forward thinking chiropractic alliance group. I can’t remember which but one of them for sure. They’re great groups. You’ll find people that are bull-headed that it’s their way or they scoff at you but that’s with any group really. Mostly….overall….they’re very friendly, very helpful, and very giving people. Giving of their experience and information as well as giving with their assistance should you need something. 

I always encourage anyone that considers themselves on the evidence-informed spectrum of the profession to join both groups. I learn SOMETHING from each of them just about every week. 

With that being said, I think you’ll agree that you are one of the more active members of the FTCA. Tell me about how you got involved with the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance and what keeps you coming back daily.

One of the things that obviously sets you apart from the run-of-the-mill chiropractor is your involvement with Florida State. Let’s start at the beginning and just talk about that for a bit. How did you get started with a D-I program? Was it a specific certification that moved you in that direction? What’s it like day to day, month to month, and year to year? And has it morphed through the years? 

In our preparation for this episode, you mentioned that you enjoy mentoring younger practitioners. With that in mind, what advice do you feel is vital for someone just starting out trying to open or build their own practice?

Continuing with the mentoring theme, what do you find to be the important aspects of maintaining a healthy work/life balance?

You seem to have a unique ability to recall things. For example, I can’t remember what I had for lunch yesterday but you can recall happenings and conversations from 20 years ago. 

I really think, and I believe most of the FTCA members would agree, that you have the best stories and should probably be working on your first book by now. 

With that in mind, can you re-tell the one you shared yesterday about the carpal tunnel patient that went to the GP who basically told her you didn’t know what you were talking about?

Now, the reason I asked for that one specifically, is because you’re in an arena where you commonly interact with other practitioners from the medical field. Are you experiencing this sort of bias against chiropractic in that world as well? Why do you think MD’s still don’t understand what it is that we do?

One of my favorite stories of your was about your Wall of Fame down your hallway. I’m sure there are plenty of recognizable names on that but your favorite is Mrs. Jones. Someone nobody outside of your practice and her personal circle would know. Is that a story you would mind sharing with us?

I want to close with this because this may be something that people can really use as the key takeaway from our time together today. 

I was reading one of your posts that went like this, “I was just thinking about something while A plumber unclogs my system at the house. I tell people, patients and students and athletes mostly, that desire and passion and determination are key. But it’s our habits that get us where we are going. We accomplish goals by developing habits.”

Now, I don’t know how a plumber brings to mind things like goals and habits but, I couldn’t agree more. What would you say are your core habits that have made the difference in your career?

You have slithered right into Episode #82. When you have a guest from Florida, you think of gators and snakes. And Pablo Escobar and Miami Vice but we try to not get too under the table here on the Chiropractic Forward Podcast. 

Before we hop into the episode, let’s talk about GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that will eliminate the need for running cable TV or the same DVDs over and over again in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living, encourage referrals, and present the benefits of all the different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailored-fit video playlist that will only promote the products and services available at your practice, and the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s no need to manually update your playlist or learn any complicated software. You truly can set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice. Your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription. 

So visit GoChiroMedia.com (that’s g-o-c-h-i-r-o-m-e-d-i-a-.com) to check out the demo reels, and to get started on your free trial. Take you practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Go check our evidence-based brochures out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? 

How about the previous two episodes we did with Dr. Anthony Nicholson on Chronic pain? That was basically a mini-masterclass folks. I hope you know that. If you know nothing of any substance about chronic pain, the previous two episodes are your starting points. 

You have to listen to me here. Just go listen. Thank me later. He is the Niagara Falls of knowledge nuggets folks. 

In personal happenings, my family experienced some unpleasantness this past weekend. My 7 year old blue European Great Dane passed away. We got the Euro Dane because they are supposed to be heartier than their American Dane counterparts. 

They think she developed some sort of tumor that zapped her weight, had her dehydrated, and just unable to walk or do anything. Not cool. It was the opposite of anything fun but, she’s not suffering and that’s the best you can ask for on that sort of deal. 

Now on to our special guest today. INTRODUCTION

He is a heck of a communicator. Any discussion I have seen him take part in on the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance Facebook page….he’s the most thorough, most sensible, most sage-like if you will. I’ve even sent him patients all the way from where I sit here in Amarillo, TX. 

He’s the Yoda of chiropractors and I love reading his stories. If someone asks him a question, he doesn’t respond with a paragraph. He sits down and really thinks about it, considers it at length, and then responds with about a 5 paragraph guidance manual and I love it. 

Not to mention the fact that he’s one of the most accomplished you’ll find in any group anywhere. 

All of that is personal experience and fine and dandy but how about we give him an official introduction?

  • Graduating from Logan College of Chiropractic, Dr. John Van Tassel has been a chiropractor since 1991 and is the owner of Athletic and Family Chiropractic in Tallahassee, Florida. 
  • He has been an adjunct professor at Tallahassee Community College and Florida State University. 
  • He has been the FCA Sports Council Doctor of the Year
  • The ProSport Chiropractic Doctor of the Year for the Southeast Region
  • And has been a contributing author in various publications

What really gets one’s attention about Dr. Van Tassel is that he is the team chiropractor for the Florida State Seminoles. A perennial powerhouse of anything athletic in the SEC. 

We’re going to talk about all of it and you’re going to be fascinated so here we go. 

Let’s welcome to the show, the pride of Tallahassee, Dr. John Van Tassel. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your schedule to be with us today. 

Let’s start with a little humor. The first thing I want to know is…..what in the heck is up with Florida? There was even a Facebook game going around for a while where you just Google your birthday and the words “Florida man…” Lol. Are Floridians just inherently crazy?

Tell me….we all have a story that got us where we are. I always like to ask this question because chiropractic is a bit of a niche choice when choosing a career. What was your story toward being a chiropractor?

Now I noticed you’re originally from North Carolina. Why the move to Tallahassee. 

We became acquainted either through the evidence based chiropractic group or the forward thinking chiropractic alliance group. I can’t remember which but one of them for sure. They’re great groups. You’ll find people that are bull-headed that it’s their way or they scoff at you but that’s with any group really. Mostly….overall….they’re very friendly, very helpful, and very giving people. Giving of their experience and information as well as giving with their assistance should you need something. 

I always encourage anyone that considers themselves on the evidence-informed spectrum of the profession to join both groups. I learn SOMETHING from each of them just about every week. 

With that being said, I think you’ll agree that you are one of the more active members of the FTCA. Tell me about how you got involved with the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance and what keeps you coming back daily.

One of the things that obviously sets you apart from the run-of-the-mill chiropractor is your involvement with Florida State. Let’s start at the beginning and just talk about that for a bit. How did you get started with a D-I program? Was it a specific certification that moved you in that direction? What’s it like day to day, month to month, and year to year? And has it morphed through the years? 

In our preparation for this episode, you mentioned that you enjoy mentoring younger practitioners. With that in mind, what advice do you feel is vital for someone just starting out trying to open or build their own practice?

Continuing with the mentoring theme, what do you find to be the important aspects of maintaining a healthy work/life balance?

You seem to have a unique ability to recall things. For example, I can’t remember what I had for lunch yesterday but you can recall happenings and conversations from 20 years ago. 

I really think, and I believe most of the FTCA members would agree, that you have the best stories and should probably be working on your first book by now. 

With that in mind, can you re-tell the one you shared yesterday about the carpal tunnel patient that went to the GP who basically told her you didn’t know what you were talking about?

Now, the reason I asked for that one specifically, is because you’re in an arena where you commonly interact with other practitioners from the medical field. Are you experiencing this sort of bias against chiropractic in that world as well? Why do you think MD’s still don’t understand what it is that we do?

One of my favorite stories of your was about your Wall of Fame down your hallway. I’m sure there are plenty of recognizable names on that but your favorite is Mrs. Jones. Someone nobody outside of your practice and her personal circle would know. Is that a story you would mind sharing with us?

I want to close with this because this may be something that people can really use as the key takeaway from our time together today. 

I was reading one of your posts that went like this, “I was just thinking about something while A plumber unclogs my system at the house. I tell people, patients and students and athletes mostly, that desire and passion and determination are key. But it’s our habits that get us where we are going. We accomplish goals by developing habits.”

Now, I don’t know how a plumber brings to mind things like goals and habits but, I couldn’t agree more. What would you say are your core habits that have made the difference in your career?

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I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

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Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

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We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

Website

Social Media Links

https://www.facebook.com/chiropracticforward/

Chiropractic Forward Podcast Facebook GROUP

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1938461399501889/

Twitter

YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtc-IrhlK19hWlhaOGld76Q

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https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/chiropractic-forward-podcast-chiropractors-practicing/id1331554445?mt=2

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Dr. Jeff Williams – Chiropractor in Amarillo, TX, Chiropractic Advocate, Author, Entrepreneur, Educator, Businessman, Marketer, and Healthcare Blogger & Vlogger

w/ Dr. John Van Tassel – Chiropractor for Florida State on Mentorship, Work-Life Balance, & Life Long Lessons (Part One)

Today we’re going to talk with one of the neatest gentlemen I have had the honor of interacting with in the last couple of years. You are absolutely going to love this conversation with Dr. John Van Tassel from Tallahassee, Florida about being a chiropractor for Florida State, a Division I college. You just wait, you’ll see what I mean. 

But first, here’s that sneaky like a Florida gator bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have slithered right into Episode #82. When you have a guest from Florida, you think of gators and snakes. And Pablo Escobar and Miami Vice but we try to not get too under the table here on the Chiropractic Forward Podcast. 

Before we hop into the episode, let’s talk about GoChiroTV. GoChiroTV is a patient education system for your office that will eliminate the need for running cable TV or the same DVDs over and over again in your waiting room. The bite-sized videos are specifically made to inform your patients about the importance of chiropractic and healthy living, encourage referrals, and present the benefits of all the different products and services you offer.

It works by using a tailored-fit video playlist that will only promote the products and services available at your practice, and the videos are replaced automatically on a weekly basis. There’s no need to manually update your playlist or learn any complicated software. You truly can set it and forget it.

Listeners of the Chiropractic Forward Podcast can use the promo code CFP19 at checkout to get 15% off all subscriptions, which also comes with a 45-day free trial to see if it’s right for your practice. Your discounted rate will be locked in for as long as you have a subscription. 

So visit GoChiroMedia.com (that’s g-o-c-h-i-r-o-m-e-d-i-a-.com) to check out the demo reels, and to get started on your free trial. Take you practice to the next level with GoChiroTV.

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Go check our evidence-based brochures out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? 

How about the previous two episodes we did with Dr. Anthony Nicholson on Chronic pain? That was basically a mini-masterclass folks. I hope you know that. If you know nothing of any substance about chronic pain, the previous two episodes are your starting points. 

You have to listen to me here. Just go listen. Thank me later. He is the Niagara Falls of knowledge nuggets folks. 

In personal happenings, my family experienced some unpleasantness this past weekend. My 7 year old blue European Great Dane passed away. We got the Euro Dane because they are supposed to be heartier than their American Dane counterparts. 

They think she developed some sort of tumor that zapped her weight, had her dehydrated, and just unable to walk or do anything. Not cool. It was the opposite of anything fun but, she’s not suffering and that’s the best you can ask for on that sort of deal. 

Now on to our special guest today. INTRODUCTION

He is a heck of a communicator. Any discussion I have seen him take part in on the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance Facebook page….he’s the most thorough, most sensible, most sage-like if you will. I’ve even sent him patients all the way from where I sit here in Amarillo, TX. 

He’s the Yoda of chiropractors and I love reading his stories. If someone asks him a question, he doesn’t respond with a paragraph. He sits down and really thinks about it, considers it at length, and then responds with about a 5 paragraph guidance manual and I love it. 

Not to mention the fact that he’s one of the most accomplished you’ll find in any group anywhere. 

All of that is personal experience and fine and dandy but how about we give him an official introduction?

  • Graduating from Logan College of Chiropractic, Dr. John Van Tassel has been a chiropractor since 1991 and is the owner of Athletic and Family Chiropractic in Tallahassee, Florida. 
  • He has been an adjunct professor at Tallahassee Community College and Florida State University. 
  • He has been the FCA Sports Council Doctor of the Year
  • The ProSport Chiropractic Doctor of the Year for the Southeast Region
  • And has been a contributing author in various publications

What really gets one’s attention about Dr. Van Tassel is that he is the team chiropractor for the Florida State Seminoles. A perennial powerhouse of anything athletic in the SEC. 

We’re going to talk about all of it and you’re going to be fascinated so here we go. 

Let’s welcome to the show, the pride of Tallahassee, Dr. John Van Tassel. Thank you so much for taking the time out of your schedule to be with us today. 

Let’s start with a little humor. The first thing I want to know is…..what in the heck is up with Florida? There was even a Facebook game going around for a while where you just Google your birthday and the words “Florida man…” Lol. Are Floridians just inherently crazy?

Tell me….we all have a story that got us where we are. I always like to ask this question because chiropractic is a bit of a niche choice when choosing a career. What was your story toward being a chiropractor?

Now I noticed you’re originally from North Carolina. Why the move to Tallahassee. 

We became acquainted either through the evidence based chiropractic group or the forward thinking chiropractic alliance group. I can’t remember which but one of them for sure. They’re great groups. You’ll find people that are bull-headed that it’s their way or they scoff at you but that’s with any group really. Mostly….overall….they’re very friendly, very helpful, and very giving people. Giving of their experience and information as well as giving with their assistance should you need something. 

I always encourage anyone that considers themselves on the evidence-informed spectrum of the profession to join both groups. I learn SOMETHING from each of them just about every week. 

With that being said, I think you’ll agree that you are one of the more active members of the FTCA. Tell me about how you got involved with the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance and what keeps you coming back daily.

One of the things that obviously sets you apart from the run-of-the-mill chiropractor is your involvement with Florida State. Let’s start at the beginning and just talk about that for a bit. How did you get started with a D-I program? Was it a specific certification that moved you in that direction? What’s it like day to day, month to month, and year to year? And has it morphed through the years? 

In our preparation for this episode, you mentioned that you enjoy mentoring younger practitioners. With that in mind, what advice do you feel is vital for someone just starting out trying to open or build their own practice?

Continuing with the mentoring theme, what do you find to be the important aspects of maintaining a healthy work/life balance?

You seem to have a unique ability to recall things. For example, I can’t remember what I had for lunch yesterday but you can recall happenings and conversations from 20 years ago. 

I really think, and I believe most of the FTCA members would agree, that you have the best stories and should probably be working on your first book by now. 

With that in mind, can you re-tell the one you shared yesterday about the carpal tunnel patient that went to the GP who basically told her you didn’t know what you were talking about?

Now, the reason I asked for that one specifically, is because you’re in an arena where you commonly interact with other practitioners from the medical field. Are you experiencing this sort of bias against chiropractic in that world as well? Why do you think MD’s still don’t understand what it is that we do?

One of my favorite stories of your was about your Wall of Fame down your hallway. I’m sure there are plenty of recognizable names on that but your favorite is Mrs. Jones. Someone nobody outside of your practice and her personal circle would know. Is that a story you would mind sharing with us?

I want to close with this because this may be something that people can really use as the key takeaway from our time together today. 

I was reading one of your posts that went like this, “I was just thinking about something while A plumber unclogs my system at the house. I tell people, patients and students and athletes mostly, that desire and passion and determination are key. But it’s our habits that get us where we are going. We accomplish goals by developing habits.”

Now, I don’t know how a plumber brings to mind things like goals and habits but, I couldn’t agree more. What would you say are your core habits that have made the difference in your career?

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

Website

Social Media Links

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Twitter

YouTube

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iTunes

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Player FM Link

https://player.fm/series/2291021

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TuneIn

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w/ Tim Bertelsman – Chiropractic Standards, Chiropractic Specialists, Importance of State Associations

CF 073: w/ Tim Bertelsman – Chiropractic Standards, Chiropractic Specialists, Importance of State Associations

Today we’re going to be talking with Dr. Tim Bertlesman about all kinds of things. Kind of like a discussion amongst friends where anything is really on the table but we’ll hone in a little on chiropractic standardization, chiropractic specialities, and our experiences working on the state levels for our respective state associations. 

It’s going to be another great one that you’ll want to share with your colleagues but first, here’s that syrupy bumper music!

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Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Store

Part of making your life easier is having the right patient education tools in your office. Tools that educate based on solid, researched information. We offer you that. It’s done for you. We are taking pre-orders right now for our brand new, evidence-based office brochures available at chiropracticforward.com. Just click the STORE link at the top right of the home page and you’ll be off and running. Just shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com if something is out of sorts or isn’t working correctly. 

If you’re like me, you get tired of answering the same old questions. Well, these brochures make great ways of educating while saving yourself time and breath. They’re also great for putting in take-home folders. 

Go check them out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? We won’t spam you. Just one email per week to remind you when the new episode comes out. That’s it. 

F4CP

We will be launching an athletes and opioids eBook toward the end of this month. It’s called A case for chiropractic disrupting the cycle of pain, prescriptions, and addiciton. I’m linking it in the show notes so go get and check it out. 

https://www.f4cp.org/package/home/viewfile/whiathletes-and-opioids-ebook

DACO

Let’s talk a bit about the DACO program. Well, our guest today is intimately involved with the DACO here in America and, in fact, is the one that unknowingly got me into this whole thing. 

I finished it. It’s all done. I’m just going ot start studying for the exams now. The first one will be on July 20th. If I come back from that one with my dobber in the dirt, then it didn’t go so well but we don’t plan on that happening. 

Since our guest is a big part of it all, we’re going to leave the DACO talk there and meet him. 

Our guest graduated from Logan College of Chiropractic in 1991. He then went on to get his CCSP there at Logan as well finishing those up in 1994. 

In addition to the CCSP, he is a DACO, a Diplomate of the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists and is an instructor for their live hours. So he gets to travel around getting unsusepcting and impressionable docs involved in the DACO. 

He is not only a member of the ACA and the Illinois Chiropractic Society, but is also a former President of the Illinois Chiropractic Society. 

He is also, and maybe most-importantly, the co-founder of ChiroUp which has to be seen to be believed quite honestly. You can do that by going to ChiroUp.com. I’m a member and you probably will want to be as well. 

Let’s get it started here. Welcome to the show Dr. Tim Bertlesman. Thank you for joining me today. 

  1. 300 hours later – I want to thank you for getting me into this mess called the DACO. I’m blaming it all on you and Bill Lawson. 
  2. Tell me about your journey into chiropractic
  3. From your CV, I see that you did the CCSP right out of school. What all have you done through that specific certification?
  4. Can you tell us the most striking difference between the two other than one is more geared toward sports?
  5. Tell me about your practice, what does it look like, who do you see mostly?
  6. Tell me about your journey into the DACO and what benefits you have personally realized from it.
  7. You and your business partner, Dr. Brandon Steele, do a great job at staying on top of the most current research. How do you do that? What are your sources?
  8. I want to hear a little about this friendly rivalry between you and Dr. Steele. 
  9. Did you realize that when I put your name into a Google search to learn a little more about you that Bertlesman Chiropractic pulled up with Dr. Steele’s picture on it? I think his evil plan is beginning to come to fruition. 
  10. When I had Dr. Steele on the show, we talked a bit about Standardization…as in making expectations more uniform for patients visiting chiropractic offices….. and we talked about Specialization such as through the DACO or the CCSP or CSCS. Can you share your thoughts on those two topics for us? 
  11. Tell me about your involvement with your state association and what it has meant to you both personally and professionally
  12. What have you been able to accomplish or have you tried to accomplish legislatively? What struggles are the Illinois and Missouri chiropractors in the middle of these days?
  13. Tell me about chocolate cookies and sushi
  14. I noticed a couple of things from your ‘About Me’ page on your website that I’d love to hear more about. 
    1. The Clinical Internship – Community Health Center
    2. Hospital externship at Deaconess Medical Center
  15. If people want to get more of Tim Bertelsman, what should they do? Where do they need to go to get their ‘fix’? I know you’ll be at ChiroTexpo in downtown Dallas again this year June 7-9. What else?
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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

Website

Social Media Links

https://www.facebook.com/chiropracticforward/

Chiropractic Forward Podcast Facebook GROUP

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1938461399501889/

Twitter

YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtc-IrhlK19hWlhaOGld76Q

iTunes

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/chiropractic-forward-podcast-chiropractors-practicing/id1331554445?mt=2

Player FM Link

https://player.fm/series/2291021

Stitcher:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-chiropractic-forward-podcast-chiropractors-practicing-through

TuneIn

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About the Author & Host

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Kids Need A Rest, Chiropractic In Europe, & Exercise For Chronic Pain

CF 072: Kids Need A Rest, Chiropractic In Europe, & Exercise For Chronic Pain.

Today we’re going to talk about a surgeon that says let kids slow down, the shape of chiropractic in Europe, how exercise affects chronic pain.       

But first, here’s that bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have collapsed into Episode #72

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier using research and some good solid common sense and smart talk. 

Store

Part of making your life easier is having the right patient education tools in your office. Tools that educate based on solid, researched information. We offer you that. It’s done for you. We are taking pre-orders right now for our brand new, evidence-based office brochures available at chiropracticforward.com. Just click the STORE link at the top right of the home page and you’ll be off and running. Just shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com if something is out of sorts or isn’t working correctly. 

If you’re like me, you get tired of answering the same old questions. Well, these brochures make great ways of educating while saving yourself time and breath. They’re also great for putting in take-home folders. 

Go check them out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? We won’t spam you. Just one email per week to remind you when the new episode comes out. That’s it. 

F4CP

We will be launching an athletes and opioids eBook toward the end of this month. It’s called A case for chiropractic disrupting the cycle of pain, prescriptions, and addiciton. I’m linking it in the show notes so go get and check it out. 

https://www.f4cp.org/package/home/viewfile/whiathletes-and-opioids-ebook

DACO

Let’s talk a bit about the DACO program

Personal Happenings

If you hear something here that you really like and would like it in written form rather than spoken, just hop onto  chiropracticforward.com, find the episode, and just scroll down to copy and paste it. If you’re using it for content or on your website for some reason, just be cool and give us some credit please. I’d sure appreciate it and I’m sure the researchers we discuss would too. 

Item #1

“Noted surgeon Dr. James Andrews wants your young athlete to stay healthy by playing less” by Dennis Manoloff of the The Plain Dealer(Manoloff D 2013). It was posted back in February of 2013 so a little old but has been making the rounds here lately in the private groups and with several colleagues. And it’s right up our alley when you consider we are also trying to keep kids out of surgery. 

Some highlights are when Dr. Andrews says they have worried for too long about patching people up rather than preventing the injury in the first place. Amen brothers and sisters. 

When asked why kids are getting hurt more and more these days, he says there are really two factors. One being that kids specialize too much now and what he calls professionalism. 

Specialization means kids are just playing one sport these days instead of being well-rounded athletes with a wide array of different activities and skills. When they’re only doing one thing and they’re doing it over and over and over…..well, that’s a recipe for surgery due to overuse.

He says ‘professionalism’ is taking these young kids that are 12 or 13 and working them like they are professional athletes with year-round training and activity. 

Advice he would give parents that can help us guide our conversations with patients and parents was 

  1. Use proper mechanics in any sport.
  2. Don’t play year round. Their kiddo needs at least two months off each year to recover from a specific sport. Ideally, 3-4 months. 

Basically, sometimes we have to look at mom and dad and say, cut it out or a surgeon will be cutting something out. 

I just made that up but you can use it if you like it. You don’t even have to give me credit for it unless you make money from it. Lol. 

Alright, Item #2, comin’ through.

Before the DACO course, chronic pain (while it should have been) was not on my radar at ALL as far as something I was interested in and something I wanted to learn to solve. It sure it now though and this next paper fits right in. 

It’s called “Exercise-induced hypoalgesia: A meta-analysis of exercise dosing for the treatment of chronic pain” by Anne Polaski, Amy Phelps, Matthew Kosted, and more(Polaski A 2019). It was published in January 2019 and I’ve cited it in the show notes. 

Why They Did It

As more and more studies are showing the effects of exercise as a first-line treatment for “nearly all forms of chronic pain,” things like dosing for different treatment modalities has not been explored just yet. 

What They Found

As you can deduce from the title, this was a meta-analysis. 

They say in the abstract, “increasing the frequency of exercise sessions per week is most likely to have a positive effect on chronic pain patients.”

In the end, as is always a part of the conclusion, more research is needed but there is a modest effect. 

Item #3

This one was in BMC Chiropractic & Manual Therapies in April of 2019. Hot stuff….comin up! It’s called “The shape of chiropractic in Europe: a corss-setional survey of chiropractor’s beliefs and practice(Gislason H 2019).” It was written by Halldor Gislason, Jari Salminen, Linn Sandhaugen, and other names I refuse to attempt at this time. 

Why They Did It

Considering the ongoing split in the profession, the authors were looking to report an adherence to unorthodox descriptiions of chiropractic and the types of chiropractic practice in Europe. 

How They Did It

They sent out an online survey amongst European chiropractors in 2017. They sent it out through social media and through the different membership associations. 

What They Found

  • They got back 1,322 responses back representing about 17.2% fo the profession. 
  • The responses were boiled down to fit into 2 different groups of practices. 
  • The two groups were categorized as orthodox and unorthodox. 
  • The orthodox group made up 80% of practitioners
  • The unorthodox group made up 20% 

Some Key Differences

  • 23% of the unorthodox chiropractors x-rayed over 50% of their new patients while the orthodox chiropractors x-rayed only 5% of theirs. 
  • The amount of unorthodox chiropractors seeing over 150 visits per week was more than double the amount seen by the orthodox chiropractor. 
  • Then, of course, there’s info demonstrating how unorthodox hates vaccines while orthodox chiros are fine with them. 

Wrap Up

They concluded by saying, “in parallel with other research, this survey suggests that key practice characteristics in contravention of national radiation guidelines or opposition to evidence based public health policy are significantly more associated with non-orthodox chiropractic paradigms.”

Now, what does that mean exactly? Well, for those of us on the evidence-informed end of the spectrum, it means that we are in concert with 80% of the profession in Canada and in Europe. From what I recall, about 80% of the profession in America is either evidence-informed or somewhere in the middle. Basically, agnostic. 

It’s not my place to argue if subluxation is a real thing or is not a real thing because I believe people define it differently. My opinion, not research because there is none to my knowledge….but my opinion is that if one defines a subluxation as something that can be removed thus fixing cancer, infections, and things like that…..well, my opinion is that that definition puts you in the unorthodox category and puts you in the 20%. 

That’s my opinion anyway and that’s worth diddly squat in the unorthodox community so, take as you may. 

We can also discuss the x-rays. I honestly have no problems with initial x-rays. I realize that flies in the face of a lot of newer guidelines but I believe that we get gut feelings that don’t fit into the definition of a ‘red flag’ per se. You damn well better get x-rays on those deals. 

I’d also say, if you have a history of x-raying every single patient that comes through the doors, that’s also putting you in the 20% that is defined as unorthodox and it’s also meaning that you’re considered an outlier. 

Outliers MUST keep an eye out if you have contracts with insurance companies. If you’re going to be an outlier, you’d best be a cash practice. Whether it be right or wrong in your opinion, insurance companies do NOT like outliers and unorthodox practitioners. And, honestly, who can blame them?

If I’m writing a bunch of checks and I have 80% of the profession over here mostly following guidelines, seeing people a reasonable amount of visits, I’m going to be cool with that 80%. If I have 20% of guys and girls over here seeing people 100 times per year when they have absolutely zero pain and taking repeated x-rays through the year, well…..if I’m writing those checks, I’m going to have a problem with that 20% at least 100% of the time. 

Do whatever you’re going to do but you should give at least SOME consideration to what I’m saying. 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

Website

Social Media Links

https://www.facebook.com/chiropracticforward/

Chiropractic Forward Podcast Facebook GROUP

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1938461399501889/

Twitter

YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtc-IrhlK19hWlhaOGld76Q

iTunes

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Player FM Link

https://player.fm/series/2291021

Stitcher:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-chiropractic-forward-podcast-chiropractors-practicing-through

TuneIn

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About the Author & Host

Dr. Jeff Williams – Chiropractor in Amarillo, TX, Chiropractic Advocate, Author, Entrepreneur, Educator, Businessman, Marketer, and Healthcare Blogger & Vlogger

Bibliography

Gislason H, S. J., Sandhaugen L, (2019). “The shape of chiropractic in Europe: a cross sectional survey of chiropractor’s beliefs and practice.” BMC Chiro Man Ther 27(16).

Manoloff D (2013). “Noted surgeon Dr. James Andrews wants your young athlete to stay healthy by playing less.” The Plain Dealer.

Polaski A, P. A., Kostek M, (2019). “Exercise-induced hypoalgesia: A meta-analysis of exercise dosing for the treatment of chronic pain.” PLoS One.

w/ Dr. Christine Goertz – Chiropractic Research, What Does The Science Say, And Where Are We Going?

Today, we have one of the giants of chiropractic research as our guest. I will go further into her background in a moment but we have Dr. Christine Goertz joining us today and, if you do not know who she is, it is time to listen up. Don’t you go anywhere because this is going to be an excellent episode full of great information. 

But first, here’s that “oh how sweet it is” bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have bounced your way into Episode #68 and we are so glad you did. 

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier. 

Store

Part of that is having the right patient education tools in your office. Tools that educate based on solid, researched information. We offer you that. It’s done for you. We are taking pre-orders right now for our brand new, evidence-based office brochures available at chiropracticforward.com. Just click the STORE link at the top right of the home page and you’ll be off and running. Just shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com if something is out of sorts or isn’t working correctly. 

If you’re like me, you get tired of answering the same old questions. Well, these brochures make great ways of educating while saving yourself time and breath. They’re also great for putting in take-home folders. 

Go check them out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? We won’t spam you. Just one email per week to remind you when the new episode comes out. That’s it. 

Guest Introduction

Christine Goertz, D.C., Ph.D., is the Chief Operating Officer of the Spine Institute for Quality. She is also an Adjunct Associate at the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, Duke University Medical Center and Adjunct Professor in the Department of Epidemiology, College of Public Health at the University of Iowa. Prior to joining Spine IQ, she was Vice Chancellor of Research and Health Policy at Palmer College of Chiropractic for eleven years. 

Dr. Goertz received her Doctor of Chiropractic (D.C.) degree from Northwestern Health Sciences University in 1991 and her Ph.D. in Health Services Research, Policy and Administration from the School of Public Health at the University of Minnesota in 1999. Her 25-year research career has focused on working with multi-disciplinary teams to design and implement clinical and health services research studies designed to increase knowledge regarding the effectiveness and cost of complementary and integrative healthcare delivery.

She has extensive experience in the administration of Federal grants, both as a PI and as a program official at the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Dr. Goertz has received nearly $32M in federal funding as either principal investigator or co-principal investigator, primarily from NIH and the Department of Defense, and has authored or co-authored more than 100 peer-reviewed papers. Her primary area of focus is the investigation of patient-centered, non-pharmacological treatments for spine-related disorders. Dr. Goertz is a former member of the NIH/NCCIH National Advisory Council and currently serves on the Board of Governors for the Patient Centered Outcomes Research Institute (PCORI), where she has assumed numerous leadership roles. In September 2018 Dr. Goertz was appointed to a 3-year term as Vice Chair of the PCORI Board by the Comptroller General of the United States. 

Welcome to the show Dr. Goertz. I can’t tell you how excited I am to have on our podcast. 

Can I first ask you what was the impetus for your wanting to get into the research end of the profession? How do you come to the decision to dive into research full-time vs. treating patients day-to-day like so many of us do?

I noticed on your CV that you are currently an adjunct professor with the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina and also an Adjunct Professor in the Department of Epidemiology, College of Public Health, University of Iowa. All the while, you are working with The Pine Institue for Quality (AKA Spine IQ). Can you tell us what a regular day looks like for you?

Whether you know it or not, you have been a game-changer for this profession. You have, likely unknowingly, played a big part in some of our podcast episodes. I want to start with a paper we covered. I called it The Veterans Paper and it was HUGE. Though I call it the Veterans Paper, you say it was done as part of the Department of Defense. I wonder….did you notice anything BIG after it was published in JAMA? Was it, in your opinion, any more impactful than your other papers?

Here’s what happened as soon as that paper came out from my perspective; almost immediately, we began getting interest from our local VA and, once we completed credentialing, we started seeing referrals. Before that paper…..nothing. No interest. I don’t know if you’re ready to take all of the credit for that but I’m going to give it to your regardless. On behalf of the entire evidence-informed chiropractic profession, thank you for that. 

In emails we have exchanged leading up to our time together today, you mentioned you have a large pragmatic trial funded by the NIH in the VA. Can you tell us anything about that?

In your work called “Insurer Coverage of Nonpharmacological Treatments for Low Back Pain – Time for a Change” published in JAMA October 2015, you say there are no policies emphasizing nonpharma treatment at the forefront of the patient experience, no meaningful levels of coverage for care professionals focussing on nonpharma therapy, and no policies providing financial incentives in favor of nonpharma. I have seen your work make huge differences but have to admit, I’m still seeing reimbursements for chiropractors being a challenge. We have folks out here struggling in practice in spite of everything in our favor. Have you experienced any changes after this came out in JAMA? Can we expect these sentiments you describe to gather steam in the next year or so?

In another piece of yours called “What does research reveal about chiropractic costs?” you say something I want to commend you on. You say, “without a doubt, the most common issues raised by those outside the profession relate to the quality and consistency of chiropractic care delivery.” I think we can all agree that standardization is likely the biggest hurdle our profession faces in regard to integration. Do you believe chiropractic residency training would better prepare chiropractic providers to offer high quality care within medical facilities?

I’m currently over 2/3 of the way through the Diplomate for the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists. I see the value every day but, in your opinion, should Board Certification become the norm for chiropractic providers rather than the exception?

In that same paper, when talking about costs for chiropractic care you point out that we are likely equal or less in cost. You say, “In particular, it appears that patients who visit a chiropractor are less likely to undergo hospitalization, resulting in lower global healthcare costs than those who receive medical care only.” Do you feel that the medical field is coming to the point they are seeing our potential in improvement as well as our cost-effectiveness on more of a widespread scale or are there just little pockets here and there? Is the medical field starting to catch on but the insurance companies are still not allowing the change? What are you seeing on your end of things?

You recently were part of a paper that was published just this year, 2019, called, “Effect of chiropractic manipulative therapy on reaction time in special operations forces military personnel: a randomized controlled trial.” I really have to talk to you researchers about trying to shorten the names of these papers. 

Anyway, you all concluded on that one that one session of chiropractic manipulative therapy had immediate effect of reducing the time required for asymptomatic special operations forces to complete a complex whole-body motor response task. Tell me….what are we looking at here? Where is this line of research leading future research?

I personally love it and think it has extremely high value so when I ask you this question, please don’t take it as a negative. Are you responsible for instigating the Palmer-Gallup Poll? What were the main goals for starting it and has it lived up to the original thought process behind its beginning? 

I thought this was an interesting question. A listener and member of our private group on Facebook, Dr. Trent Peng, suggested I ask you which chiropractic adjustment techniques are sufficiently evidence-based in the scientific literature?

In an article by Lisa Rappaport, called “Adding chiropractic to back pain care may reduce disability,” she interviewed you for the article. She had a quote in the article from you that said, “Spinal manipulation (often referred to as chiropractic adjustment) may help heal tissues in your body that form as a result of injury, decreasing pain and improving your body’s ability to move correctly.” 

The other was, “It is also possible that manipulation impacts the way that your body perceives pain through either the brain or the spinal cord and/or decreases pain from muscle strain, inflammation and/or spasm in the muscles next to your spine.” 

The first comment I have on this is that I love the second quote because there is more and more information coming out about what part the central nervous system plays in regard to pain. Pain sensitization, movement dysfunction, joint proprioception and thing of that nature. I thought that quote brought some of that into consideration without getting too complicated for a normal reader. So, kudos on that!

I remember thinking to myself that there are a lot of “may help” and “it is possible” kind of language. I understand that researchers shouldn’t formulate opinions or conclusions in definite terms or absolutes and I completely understand that, but my question to this point is do you ever see a time that all chiropractors can say with a high degree of confidence exactly what happens and exactly why it helps people heal or feel better?

I was sent a paper I believe you have in progress called “Assessment of chiropractic care on strength, balance, and endurance in active-duty US military personnel with low back pain: a protocol for a randomized controlled trial. In the Background section, you all say, Chiropractic care may facilitate the strengthening of trunk muscles, the alteration of sensory and motor signaling, and a reduction in pain sensitivity, which may contribute to improving strength, balance, and endurance for individuals with low back pain.”

As you probably know, here in Texas, we are in a perpetual battle against the Texas Medical Association. Recently, they won a decision that was upheld on appeal to remove the ‘neuro’ snippet from our scope description of treatment the neuromusculoskeletal system. Essentially, they say we only treat the musculoskeletal system. With the research you have done and are currently involved in, what do you say to this?

What has been your favorite project or finding you have been a part of so far?

What has been your favorite paper, project, or finding that a colleague has written but you were not a part of?

What conclusion have you had to draw at the end of a paper that surprised you the most?

How do you see quality research translating into a greater level of inter-professional collaboration and how do you see the future of chiropractic unfolding in terms of integration into the healthcare system?

A tie-in question here, where do you see the profession in 10 years?

I know that low back is one of the biggest reasons for disability worldwide, if not the biggest. It deserves the attention it has received. We have research on low back pain now to the point that even traditional chiropractic detractors can’t really argue all that much with us on low back pain. But we still have a fight on our hands when it comes to cervical manipulation. My question is why do you think we don’t see more research for cervical manipulation and do you see the spotlight ever changing and the research beginning to focus on cervical manipulation and the benefits for neck pain and headache/migraine?

In the private Chiropractic Forward Facebook Group, we are curious….what are you up to right now? What are you working on? 

Apart from what you are working on right now, what are your goals in regard to research in the next 10 years?

Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to join us. I hope our listeners got as much use out of our talk as I did. I truly believe that our profession is where it is and going the direction it’s going in large part because of you an d your efforts. 

And I thank you so much. 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

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Government-Regulated Rehab, Do Rotator Cuffs Need Repair, Carpal Tunnel

Government-Regulated Rehab, Do Rotator Cuffs Need Repair, Carpal Tunnel

Today we’re going to reach into my bag of papers that have been sitting and gathering a little dust waiting for their time in the sun. We’re talking about government-regulated rehab. Is it any more effective than doctor-regulated? Do you send rotator cuff issues straight to a surgeon and is that the smartest thing? We’ll also skim over some new info on carpal tunnel syndrome. 

But first, here’s that “goes down so smooth” bumper music.

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have Frankenstein-shuffled into Episode #63 all creepy like

Introduction

Why does this podcast even exist? We’re here to advocate for chiropractic and to give you some awesome information to make your life easier from day-to-day. We’re going to keep you from wasting time through your week by giving you confidence in your recommendations and in your treatments. 

This is something I feel confident in guaranteeing you if you listen and stick to it here at the Chiropractic Forward Podcast.  I’m no guru but I do believe I was blessed with some amount of common sense that somehow continues to keep me in the game. You are ABSOLUTELY going to pick up some nuggets that you can use in your own practice. 

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We can order any of the posters whenever but, I want to get pre-orders in place for the brochures since they have to be ordered in bulk. With pre-orders helping me do that, I can get them ordered at the end of March, get them to me in about a week and then get them to you in a week so, they’d be in your hands roughly mid-April. So, if you’re team Chiropractic Forward, go check them out and order up. I’ll make it happen for us all. 

I’m getting them for my office as well ya see. I can’t wait to get them. And, I have a ton more I’m working on. But, I’ll be using funds from the first batch, to fund the next batch of these brochures. Rome wasn’t built in a day, folks, cut me some damn slack. Help me out with the first batch and we’ll be up and running. Who knows what we can get done around here together?

DACO

DACO talk, hell yeah. I’m back to rocking and rolling thanks to the guys down under in Australia. They are very intuitive and really do go out of their way to make sure you’re enjoying the courses and getting what you can out of them. 

Recent courses for me have been Acute Torticollis in the Adult and Osteoporotic Compression fractures – Recognizing the Clues. 

I dreaded stepping into the whole idea of 300 hours added to an already full load of work, family, and hobbies. Honestly, I’ve said before, I see 60-70 new patients a month, wife and two kids, I build live edge furniture, I’m a musician many weekends, and a sculptor who’s trying to teach himself to paint and…well…I like to get ornery and have a beer here and there on the weekends too. (you need to grow up)

I don’t say that to brag and say Oh look at me look at me. I’m trying to make the point that, if I can do it, you can do it.

Here’s the deal, I was always learning and adding and reading research papers and all of that stuff anyway. I thought I’d take one live class and get some continuing education hours. Hell, I figured I’d sit in the class for a couple of hours and then go have lunch with my wife. 

Yeah, that didn’t happen. In fact, I’m blaming it all on Dr. Tim Bertlesmen for getting me into it. He and Dr. Brandon Steele are the partners in ChiroUp and he was teaching a class here for the Texas Chiropractic Association’s state convention last summer. I saw him in the expo hall and he told me to come check the class out.

I said I’ll check it out for a bit. He said, “You’ll like it. You’ll stay for the whole thing.” Dammit if he wasn’t right. Lol. Just amazing information that could be used immediately and I literally feel that way about every class I’ve had since then.

So, you see, it hasn’t been stressful. It hasn’t really been any work. It’s just been enjoyable learning that I would have been doing anyway. I might as well get something out of what I was already doing anyway, right?

When the hell do I have time to add 300 hours to my plate? Well, I take off about 2:30 on Tuesday afternoon to do a class. I usually take one on Saturday morning when I’m up before the rest of the family. Sometimes I’ll take another on Sunday. That puts me at about 9 hours a week.

Easy peesy. 

If I can get you started, email me at dr. williams @chiropractic forward.com

Personal Happenings

In personal happenings, it’s been a little crazy around here as you all might can gather if you follow along. If you remember we had a front desk issue back in August and just couldn’t get the position filled. Well, my amazing wife stepped in, got trained on insurance, billing, and all of that lovely mess of crap. She is literally the smartest person I’ve ever met in my life. Some may question her decision to marry me and her intelligence in making that decision but, I think she’s freaking Einstein basically. 

Anyway, that has turned into us getting to work at 8 am and now, because she’s a perfectionist and still maintains her work responsibilities from her other job….which she does from home….we’re literally here until about 8 pm every night and I’m just about done with that people. Being busy is a good problem to have but there is a point where it’s just too much. 

I think a nurse practitioner can take some of the load off and I think maybe bringing in a new young hungry associate would be really nice. But, while I can talk about evidence and research, I’m afraid I’m not particularly skilled at hiring associates or setting up a medical entity but, that’s the direction I’m moving in because this workload is not sustainable for me to have a happy life. It’s just not. Example: on Wednesday of last week, in one day, as a solo practitioner, we had 12 new patients. Now, 6 were just intakes from one car wreck and it went efficiently but, you get the point. 

While it is do-able, for me, it’s not necessarily desirable to have the stress of being piled up on. I’m more like 3 or 4 new patients per day spread evenly throughout the week with some periodic re-exams and a bunch of happy patients just getting better and better every time I see them. THAT’S my idea of a happy workday. That’s not what we have right now. Lol. Good problem to have, admittedly but, still stressful. 

We’re hiring right now to help take some load off of the wife and, before long, I’ll be turning my attention to integrating. You know I’ll be sharing my experience as we go through it all. 

Item #1: Government-regulated Rehab

This first item we’re going to talk about is titled “Is a government-regulated rehabilitation guideline more effective than general practitioner education or preferred-provider rehabilitation in promoting recovery from acute whiplash-associated disorders? A pragmatic randomised controlled trial(Cote P 2019)” written by Pierre Cote, Eleanor Boyle, Heather Shearer, and a plethora of others. It was published in the British Medical Journal Open in 2019 and is cited in our show notes for episode 63. 

Why They Did It

They wanted to evaluate the effectiveness of a government-regulated guidelines line when comparing it to education and activation by general practitioners and to a preferred-provider insurance-based rehab program on self-reported global recovery from acute whiplash-associated disorders Grades 1-2. 

As mentioned in the title of the paper, it was a pragmatic randomized controlled trial. 

What They Found

Here’s what they decided, “Time-to-recovery did not significantly differ across intervention groups. We found no differences between groups with regard to neck-specific outcomes, depression and health-related quality of life.”

Item #2: Rotator Cuffs & Need For Repair

This one is called “What happens to patients when we do not repair their cuff tears? Five-year rotator cuff quality-of-life index outcomes following nonoperative treatment of patients with full-thickness rotator cuff tears(Boorman RS 2018).” Twas written by RS Boorman, KD More, RM Hollinshead, and a gaggle of others. Published in Journal of Shoulder and Elbow Surgery in March of 2018. 

Why They Did It

They wanted to look at the 5-year outcomes in patients enrolled in a nonoperative rotator cuff tear treatment program. What happened with them?

How They Did It

They took patients with chronic, defined as greater than three months, full-thickness rotator cuff tears on MRI that were enrolled in the nonoperative study from 2008-2010. 

They started a nonoperative, home-based treatment program and they were followed up with after different time intervals. 

What They Found

Check this out, at 5 or more years follow-up, approximately 75% of patients remained successfully treated with nonoperative treatment and had a quality of life score of 83 out of 100. 

Between years 2 and 5, only 3 patients thought to have a successful outcome regressed and had surgery

The operative and the nonoperative groups at the 5-year follow-up were not significantly different. 

Wrap It Up

The authors concluded, “Nonoperative treatment is an effective and lasting option for many patients with a chronic, full-thickness rotator cuff tear. While some clinicians may argue that nonoperative treatment delays inevitable surgical repair, our study shows that patients can do very well over time.”

Pow. Snap. Bam. Smash. Kapow!

I don’t know why I take such joy in seeing that surgeons have less reason to do surgery but it give me a tickle in my belly and a warm fuzzy feeling. Who wants a hug, people? I’m feeling the spirit here. 

Item #3: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome

Our last item here is called “The Effect of Manual Therapy Including Neurodynamic Techniques on the Overall Health Status of People With Carpal Tunnel Syndrome: A Randomized Controlled Trial(Wolny T 2018)” and is written by T Wolney, et. al., published in Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics in October of 2018. 

Why They Did It

They wanted to check the influence of manual therapy, including neurodynamic techniques, when compared to no treatment on overall health status in those with mild to moderate carpal tunnel syndrome. 

Again, as the title says, it was a randomized controlled trial with 189 subjects. 

They underwent treatment twice weekly. 

What exactly is meant by the term ‘Neurodynamic Technique’? Well, have you ever heard of nerve flossing? That is a type of neurodynamic technique. Gliding or sliding the median nerve in the case of carpal tunnel. Tensioning, relaxing basically. Pull out your Google machine. You’ll find some great YouTube examples of Neurodynamic Techniques to help you with your carpal tunnel patients. 

Now, what did they find?

The authors were able to conclude the following, “Manual therapy, including neurodynamic techniques, had a positive effect on overall health status in this group of individuals with carpal tunnel syndrome.”

Key Takeaways

  • The government doesn’t do a particularly better job than you can do on your own if you’re educated and stay evidence-informed
  • Even full-thickness tears of the rotator cuff do not mean surgical intervention in most patients
  • Carpal Tunnel Surgery doesn’t require surgical intervention in most mild-moderate patients if you learn some take-home exercises and implement neurodynamic techniques
  • Surgeons are going to need to start down-sizing those houses and maybe forego buying that private plane as they will be less and less busy in the years to come. 

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The Evidence-based Chiropractic Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient.

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

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Bibliography

  • Boorman RS, M. K., Lollinshead RM, (2018). “What happens to patients when we do not repair their cuff tears? Five-year rotator cuff quality-of-life index outcomes following nonoperative treatment of patients with full-thickness rotator cuff tears.” J Shoulder Elbow Surg 27(3): 444-448.
  • Cote P, S. B., Shearer HM, (2019). “Is a government-regulated rehabilitation guideline more effective than general practitioner education or preferred-provider rehabilitation in promoting recovery from acute whiplash-associated disorders? A pragmatic randomised controlled trial.” BMJ Open 9(e021283).
  • Wolny T (2018). “The Effect of Manual Therapy Including Neurodynamic Techniques on the Overall Health Status of People With Carpal Tunnel Syndrome: A Randomized Controlled Trial.” J Manipulative Physiol Ther 41(8): 641-649.

CF 033: Did You Need Proof That Chiropractors Help Headaches?

CF 041: w/ Dr. William Lawson – Research For Neck Pain

 

 

 

CF 061: Faith-based Chiropractic, Ohio Lawmakers, & Chronic Neck Pain

CF 061: Faith-based Chiropractic, Ohio Lawmakers, & Chronic Neck Pain

Today we’re going to talk about another aspect or group that I find particularly troubling in my profession I call faith-based chiropractic, we’ll talk about some lawmakers in Ohio, and then we’ll gloss over a paper on chronic neck pain and balance. Stick around, it might get interesting. 

But first, here’s that ‘yummy in your tummy’ bumper music


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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have streamed you way into Episode #61

Before I make people mad, let’s talk a bit about the DACO program which is the Diplomate of the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists. I’m on it, I’m on it. I’m on it like stink on my teenager’s socks. You know what I’m talking about. I won’t even enter his room. It just has a certain smell that I want no part of. 

Continuing on with the eLearning episodes through the CDI group, I recently wrapped up one on Lateral Epicondylalgia just this morning and a few days ago finished up one on Fibromyalgia. Did you know the literature is pointing to those two conditions as being partly due to the central nervous system and what is termed central sensitization? 

It’s excellent information. If you want some guidance getting started on it, shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com No, I don’t get a thing out of helping you or out of talking about it. Nothing at all. It’s just something I’m currently doing so it’s top of mind and I see the incredible value daily and am sharing that information with you. That’s about the total of it. 

I want everyone, as soon as you get to a computer, to go to chiropracticforward.com and click on the STORE link. You will find Posters and Brochures. The posters have some of my favorite and often-used sayings from the podcast. The brochures are evidence-based and are something I have been working on for some time now in my spare time. Now, if I can get some pre-orders ready to rock, we’ll get them ordered and sent on their way to you. 

I’d love to get your feedback on them at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com

Introduction

Everyone on the planet knows there are two things you don’t talk about and they are POLITICS and RELIGION. 

For me, this here, what we’re about to go into….it has very little to do with the nuts and bolts of religion but more to do with the use of it. I’m going to touch on a very touchy subject and I hope that you won’t do the “poor me, I’m offended by everything on the planet” bit and get mad and leave and never return.

Rather, I hope you’ll hear what I have to say and hear it objectively and then, we either agree or disagree and we move on with our days with a common goal of getting people better. In the end, it’s just one dude’s opinion so let’s not get too worked up, OK? 

Faith-based Chiropractic

OK, let’s talk openly and honestly and hope we don’t make everyone mad. Here’s my deal people, I’m a Christian and have been all of my life. In fact, when I was younger as in junior high and high school, typically if the doors were open, I was there. Sunday morning, Sunday evening, and Wednesday night. Yep. Southern Baptist even although, now, I’m non-denominational. I found out I’m not as much of a fan of organized religion as I am of religion in general. When it gets too organized, I get less interested if that makes sense. 

Anyway, I’m a proud Christian but I’m not a loud or a bully Christian at all. If you come to my office, I’m not sure I have one cross in the whole place. That doesn’t mean I frown on you if you have Christian music playing through the speakers and you have scripture written on the walls. I honestly have no problem with that if it’s there for the right reasons. I don’t believe people are coming to my office for religion so it’s not right for me personally. 

I will admit, I’m a sculptor so several of my pieces are here. One of my pieces is called Road To Damascus and is about a story found in the Bible. I’ll post a picture in the show notes at www.chiropracticforward.com and you can just go to episode 61 if you want to check it out and see it. 

 

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saul apostle paul damascus sculpture

 

I feel like, since I AM one, I can talk about other Christians.

Lately, I’m seeing more and more posts and have been hearing more and more about Christian Chiropractors. I think the idea or concept of being a Christian Chiropractor is just fine. Honestly, I do. There are indeed people that would rather go to a like-minded practitioner rather than a Satan-worshipping chiropractor for example. Wouldn’t you agree? ‘Birds of a feather flock together’ is more than just a saying.

Much in the same way that some patients would just as likely AVOID a Christian Chiropractor if they themselves are not Christians. If someone wants to identify themselves as Christian, honestly, I’m cool with that. I don’t but I don’t care if you do. Not at all. 

Fair play to ya. That’s why we have different strokes for different folks and I’m so OK either way. There are Christian MDs, Muslim plumbers, Christian brothers car mechanics, Jewish this, and Buddhist that…. Whatever melts your butter and feathers your fancy. 

My Issue

My issue today isn’t one of religion vs. non-religion in all honestly. My problem lies in practitioners USING their religion to build their businesses and, in a most undesirable move, using religion to manipulate vulnerable patients for the purpose of padding their wallets. 

That’s a next level no-no in my book. Who cares about my book, right? Maybe nobody at all. Maybe around 8,000 people so far though so, it’s possible some actually DO care about my book so let’s keep rolling here. 

I want to make a distinction here. a Christian, according to the New Testament is charged with going and preaching the gospel. Save souls. There are some that truly feel that, if they are not doing that, they’re not fulfilling their mission. 

OK, fair enough. Who am I to argue that you’re wrong and who the hell am I to judge? If I were to say you’re wrong, I’d be arguing against the Bible and I’m certainly not going to do that. I have faults so I do what I can to stay in the good graces when at all possible. 

If it is honest and well-meant and you feel it in your heart to save your patients, rock on brothers and sisters. Amen & Hallelujah. 

But, if you mix religion into your business practices and protocols as a way to build your business by manipulating desperate and many times scared patients into seeing you, that’s where our paths go separately.

I cannot reconcile it in my mind how it would ever be right or permissible. I’ve never in my life gone to church to pick up business. I’m not there for that. It would be disingenuous and would defeat the purpose of being in the building in the first place. 

In the same way, I don’t use it to build my business in my office. I would not feel honest. I wouldn’t feel genuine. At the end of the day, if I’m anything, I’m those two things. Again, we’re all different but for me personally, it just doesn’t feel right. 

Example

Let me give you exhibit #1 for an example so you can see for yourself what I’m talking about. Here is an actual script folk.

“Mary, I’m concerned. I’m really concerned about you. When you don’t continue your plan to remove the subluxations that are interfering with God’s life force allowing it to innately flow from above down through your body in order to heal you, you’re not allowing God to do his part and heal your body. I understand that it’s hard getting here…but I have an opening at 5:30 tonight so we’ll see you then and let’s get you that life-saving adjustment tonight ok?”

That is a script used by a  popular company. They tell their members to say stuff like that. I’m not even kidding and, as I said, that’s some next level BS for me personally, in my practice. 

As a Christian myself I’m telling you, someone says something like that to me while I’m trying to get my issues resolved, the next thing they’re seeing is my ass as I walk out the door. 

First, I’m not there to be preached to. I go to church for that. Second, it’s obvious you’re trying to manipulate me into treatment using my religion and that just straight up pisses me off. Third, if God wants to heal a patient, why on Earth would he need a chiropractor to make that happen? 

Honestly. Think about it honestly. God moved heaven and earth. All-knowing. All powerful. But needs a chiropractor to facilitate your improved health? That’s insane in the membrane to me. 

What If

What if they said, “Mary, I’d never try to tell someone how to spend their money or how to take care of themselves because that’s none of my business. My job is to tell you what I think would be the best for you based on the idea that you live right next door and have no travel concerns, and you have all of the time and money in the world. What would I think would be best for you? Then there’s reality and my job is to be here for you however you want to use me. We don’t hassle our patients about their recommendations. Just do me a favor if you can’t do what I recommend, don’t tell people that chiropractic didn’t work. OK? Tell them you weren’t able to do what the chiropractor recommended. Is that fair?”

And all the people said, Amen. Literally, every single one of them agrees that it is indeed fair. 

Of course, I also tell them that if they love what we do for them and they get to feeling better, we’d love a great review on Google and Facebook but, if you don’t like us, just keep your mouth shut.” Of course, they know I’m kidding. Or am I?…..

The way I see it, I’m a specialist in what I do and that’s why a patient is here to see me and that’s what they will get. They’re not going to get politics and they’re not going to get religion either. 

As I said in episode #56 when I talked about the magical mystical disappearing arthritic osteophytes, although in many areas of the world it’s getting better, we are still in a battle with a medical community that wants to do away with us. We need to ask ourselves an honest question. Does this sort of stuff, put us at risk of continued ridicule? 

I doubt medical doctors are sitting around all over the country saying, “Mary, I’m concerned about you. If you don’t get this chemo followed by months of radiation, God can’t express himself fully in your body and your healing will not be complete, and you’re going to die.” “Mary, if you don’t take this oxcy, God won’t be able to calm down that issue long enough for us to make any progress in your healing.”

And, if you ever DO find one that does (there are always exceptions to the rule right?) if you find an MD that does that, the whole world is going to think he’s a coo coo loco and you might even see him on 60 Minutes one Sunday night. 

God, faith, religion, and spirituality are wonderful things. They’re the #1 things in the lives of so many people including ME. Just don’t dirty them or the profession by using them as marketing and worse of all….tools to work patients and manipulate them. Please….

I love your religion and I love your passion as long as it’s genuine. Once it becomes about business and becomes a tool to work people, you lose me. That’s all I’m saying. 

Hopefully, not too many of you lost the cheese off of your cracker on that. Let’s keep moving. 

Resource #1

I want to cover a recent article I noticed from WSAZ NewsChannel 3 up in Charleston, WV. It was written by Kaitlynn LeBeau called Ohio Lawmakers, doctors suggest chiropractic care instead of opioids(LeBeau 2018) and was posted on March 21, 2018. 

https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Ohio-lawmakers-doctors-suggest-chiropractic-care-instead-of-opioids-477447883.html

It’s in WV but talking about Ohio and here’s what they had to say. The Ohio Attorney General and lawmakers held a press conference last March to talk about the need for alternatives to pain meds. The Attorney General, Mike DeWine, said: “More and more people are looking for new and innovative ways to treat pain.” 

Yes, we already know this but he also went on to speak about community health centers that include medical, fitness, social and educational services. We’ve already talked about chiropractors getting integrated into the Federally Qualified Health Centers and, yes….you have one near you whether you know it or not. Just Google the term “FQHC” and then the name of your city or region and see what pops up. 

Here’s what I really wanted to point out: we chiropractors have a powerful ally in American soldier, Staff Sergeant Shilo Harris. If you are not familiar with Sgt. Harris, he is located in San Antonio, TX last I heard unless he’s relocated. 

Anyway, on his second deployment to Iraq, he was injured by a roadside bomb. When I say injured, I mean big time. Go do a google search on Shilo Harris and you’ll see immediately what I’m talking about. 

Bless his heart and thank you for your service, Sgt. Harris. Heroes don’t play on a basketball court or football field. They fight selflessly and give of themselves for our freedom. For complete strangers, many of which don’t even like them. They fight for the love of country too, right? Just amazing people. 

He is quoted in the article as saying, “I’m here to tell you that chiropractic care saved my life. I became addicted to my medications, naturally, in a sense because I had had so many back to back surgeries.”

Sgt. Harris has presented at Texas Chiropractic Association’s events and will be at another TCA event in just a couple of weeks down in Austin that I’ll be at. I’m looking forward to hopefully meeting him myself. 

Resource #2

OK, next item: this one called “Evaluation of Postural Balance and Articular Mobility of the Lower Limbs in Chronic Neck Pain Patients by Means of Low-Cost Clinical Tests(Gomes P 2018)” It was authored Amy Pamela Karine Alvino Gomes, et al. and published in October of 2018 in the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics. 

Why They Did It

The purpose of this study was to correlate measurements of chronic neck pain with the balance and mobility of the lower limbs and to compare these variables between individuals with chronic neck pain and asymptomatic participants.

How They Did It

It was a blinded, cross-cross-sectional study

They had chronic neck pain patients as well as asymptomatic people. 

Outcome assessment tools were used to measure the difference in the groups. 

What They Found

“Young adults with chronic neck pain present changes in static balance measured by means of the Functional Reach Test; that is, the higher the intensity of pain, the lower the anteroposterior excursion of the body during the execution of the test.

This week, I want you to go forward with this: again, I’m all for religion. Ultimately, you do you. Just do it proudly, honestly, and genuinely. Always try to be someone your family can be proud of and be above reproach. 

I want you to know that Staff Sgt. Shilo Harris is awesome and he’s on our team so look him up and book him for your next association event or seminar or legislative effort. 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient.

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

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Bibliography

Gomes P (2018). “Evaluation of Postural Balance and Articular Mobility of the Lower Limbs in Chronic Neck Pain Patients by Means of Low-Cost Clinical Tests.” Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics 41(8): 658-664.

LeBeau, K. (2018). https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Ohio-lawmakers-doctors-suggest-chiropractic-care-instead-of-opioids-477447883.html. WSAZ News Channel 3.

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CF 056: What Does A Spinal Manipulation Do In Medical Terms & What I Despise About My Profession

Today we’re going to talk about what a chiropractic spinal manipulation is, we’ll talk about what it does and what happens there. We’re also going to talk about what I sincerely despise about our great profession. Depending on how fired up I get here, this one should be a good episode.