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w/ Dr. Christine Goertz – Chiropractic Research, What Does The Science Say, And Where Are We Going?

Today, we have one of the giants of chiropractic research as our guest. I will go further into her background in a moment but we have Dr. Christine Goertz joining us today and, if you do not know who she is, it is time to listen up. Don’t you go anywhere because this is going to be an excellent episode full of great information. 

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Guest Introduction

Christine Goertz, D.C., Ph.D., is the Chief Operating Officer of the Spine Institute for Quality. She is also an Adjunct Associate at the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, Duke University Medical Center and Adjunct Professor in the Department of Epidemiology, College of Public Health at the University of Iowa. Prior to joining Spine IQ, she was Vice Chancellor of Research and Health Policy at Palmer College of Chiropractic for eleven years. 

Dr. Goertz received her Doctor of Chiropractic (D.C.) degree from Northwestern Health Sciences University in 1991 and her Ph.D. in Health Services Research, Policy and Administration from the School of Public Health at the University of Minnesota in 1999. Her 25-year research career has focused on working with multi-disciplinary teams to design and implement clinical and health services research studies designed to increase knowledge regarding the effectiveness and cost of complementary and integrative healthcare delivery.

She has extensive experience in the administration of Federal grants, both as a PI and as a program official at the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Dr. Goertz has received nearly $32M in federal funding as either principal investigator or co-principal investigator, primarily from NIH and the Department of Defense, and has authored or co-authored more than 100 peer-reviewed papers. Her primary area of focus is the investigation of patient-centered, non-pharmacological treatments for spine-related disorders. Dr. Goertz is a former member of the NIH/NCCIH National Advisory Council and currently serves on the Board of Governors for the Patient Centered Outcomes Research Institute (PCORI), where she has assumed numerous leadership roles. In September 2018 Dr. Goertz was appointed to a 3-year term as Vice Chair of the PCORI Board by the Comptroller General of the United States. 

Welcome to the show Dr. Goertz. I can’t tell you how excited I am to have on our podcast. 

Can I first ask you what was the impetus for your wanting to get into the research end of the profession? How do you come to the decision to dive into research full-time vs. treating patients day-to-day like so many of us do?

I noticed on your CV that you are currently an adjunct professor with the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina and also an Adjunct Professor in the Department of Epidemiology, College of Public Health, University of Iowa. All the while, you are working with The Pine Institue for Quality (AKA Spine IQ). Can you tell us what a regular day looks like for you?

Whether you know it or not, you have been a game-changer for this profession. You have, likely unknowingly, played a big part in some of our podcast episodes. I want to start with a paper we covered. I called it The Veterans Paper and it was HUGE. Though I call it the Veterans Paper, you say it was done as part of the Department of Defense. I wonder….did you notice anything BIG after it was published in JAMA? Was it, in your opinion, any more impactful than your other papers?

Here’s what happened as soon as that paper came out from my perspective; almost immediately, we began getting interest from our local VA and, once we completed credentialing, we started seeing referrals. Before that paper…..nothing. No interest. I don’t know if you’re ready to take all of the credit for that but I’m going to give it to your regardless. On behalf of the entire evidence-informed chiropractic profession, thank you for that. 

In emails we have exchanged leading up to our time together today, you mentioned you have a large pragmatic trial funded by the NIH in the VA. Can you tell us anything about that?

In your work called “Insurer Coverage of Nonpharmacological Treatments for Low Back Pain – Time for a Change” published in JAMA October 2015, you say there are no policies emphasizing nonpharma treatment at the forefront of the patient experience, no meaningful levels of coverage for care professionals focussing on nonpharma therapy, and no policies providing financial incentives in favor of nonpharma. I have seen your work make huge differences but have to admit, I’m still seeing reimbursements for chiropractors being a challenge. We have folks out here struggling in practice in spite of everything in our favor. Have you experienced any changes after this came out in JAMA? Can we expect these sentiments you describe to gather steam in the next year or so?

In another piece of yours called “What does research reveal about chiropractic costs?” you say something I want to commend you on. You say, “without a doubt, the most common issues raised by those outside the profession relate to the quality and consistency of chiropractic care delivery.” I think we can all agree that standardization is likely the biggest hurdle our profession faces in regard to integration. Do you believe chiropractic residency training would better prepare chiropractic providers to offer high quality care within medical facilities?

I’m currently over 2/3 of the way through the Diplomate for the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists. I see the value every day but, in your opinion, should Board Certification become the norm for chiropractic providers rather than the exception?

In that same paper, when talking about costs for chiropractic care you point out that we are likely equal or less in cost. You say, “In particular, it appears that patients who visit a chiropractor are less likely to undergo hospitalization, resulting in lower global healthcare costs than those who receive medical care only.” Do you feel that the medical field is coming to the point they are seeing our potential in improvement as well as our cost-effectiveness on more of a widespread scale or are there just little pockets here and there? Is the medical field starting to catch on but the insurance companies are still not allowing the change? What are you seeing on your end of things?

You recently were part of a paper that was published just this year, 2019, called, “Effect of chiropractic manipulative therapy on reaction time in special operations forces military personnel: a randomized controlled trial.” I really have to talk to you researchers about trying to shorten the names of these papers. 

Anyway, you all concluded on that one that one session of chiropractic manipulative therapy had immediate effect of reducing the time required for asymptomatic special operations forces to complete a complex whole-body motor response task. Tell me….what are we looking at here? Where is this line of research leading future research?

I personally love it and think it has extremely high value so when I ask you this question, please don’t take it as a negative. Are you responsible for instigating the Palmer-Gallup Poll? What were the main goals for starting it and has it lived up to the original thought process behind its beginning? 

I thought this was an interesting question. A listener and member of our private group on Facebook, Dr. Trent Peng, suggested I ask you which chiropractic adjustment techniques are sufficiently evidence-based in the scientific literature?

In an article by Lisa Rappaport, called “Adding chiropractic to back pain care may reduce disability,” she interviewed you for the article. She had a quote in the article from you that said, “Spinal manipulation (often referred to as chiropractic adjustment) may help heal tissues in your body that form as a result of injury, decreasing pain and improving your body’s ability to move correctly.” 

The other was, “It is also possible that manipulation impacts the way that your body perceives pain through either the brain or the spinal cord and/or decreases pain from muscle strain, inflammation and/or spasm in the muscles next to your spine.” 

The first comment I have on this is that I love the second quote because there is more and more information coming out about what part the central nervous system plays in regard to pain. Pain sensitization, movement dysfunction, joint proprioception and thing of that nature. I thought that quote brought some of that into consideration without getting too complicated for a normal reader. So, kudos on that!

I remember thinking to myself that there are a lot of “may help” and “it is possible” kind of language. I understand that researchers shouldn’t formulate opinions or conclusions in definite terms or absolutes and I completely understand that, but my question to this point is do you ever see a time that all chiropractors can say with a high degree of confidence exactly what happens and exactly why it helps people heal or feel better?

I was sent a paper I believe you have in progress called “Assessment of chiropractic care on strength, balance, and endurance in active-duty US military personnel with low back pain: a protocol for a randomized controlled trial. In the Background section, you all say, Chiropractic care may facilitate the strengthening of trunk muscles, the alteration of sensory and motor signaling, and a reduction in pain sensitivity, which may contribute to improving strength, balance, and endurance for individuals with low back pain.”

As you probably know, here in Texas, we are in a perpetual battle against the Texas Medical Association. Recently, they won a decision that was upheld on appeal to remove the ‘neuro’ snippet from our scope description of treatment the neuromusculoskeletal system. Essentially, they say we only treat the musculoskeletal system. With the research you have done and are currently involved in, what do you say to this?

What has been your favorite project or finding you have been a part of so far?

What has been your favorite paper, project, or finding that a colleague has written but you were not a part of?

What conclusion have you had to draw at the end of a paper that surprised you the most?

How do you see quality research translating into a greater level of inter-professional collaboration and how do you see the future of chiropractic unfolding in terms of integration into the healthcare system?

A tie-in question here, where do you see the profession in 10 years?

I know that low back is one of the biggest reasons for disability worldwide, if not the biggest. It deserves the attention it has received. We have research on low back pain now to the point that even traditional chiropractic detractors can’t really argue all that much with us on low back pain. But we still have a fight on our hands when it comes to cervical manipulation. My question is why do you think we don’t see more research for cervical manipulation and do you see the spotlight ever changing and the research beginning to focus on cervical manipulation and the benefits for neck pain and headache/migraine?

In the private Chiropractic Forward Facebook Group, we are curious….what are you up to right now? What are you working on? 

Apart from what you are working on right now, what are your goals in regard to research in the next 10 years?

Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to join us. I hope our listeners got as much use out of our talk as I did. I truly believe that our profession is where it is and going the direction it’s going in large part because of you an d your efforts. 

And I thank you so much. 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

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Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

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CF 062: Chiropractic Prevalence, JAMA’s Awful Info on Opioids, & New Info on Screen Time

CF 062: Chiropractic Prevalence, JAMA’s Awful Info on Opioids, & New Info on Screen Time

Today we’re going to talk about chiropractic prevalence, a new article in JAMA with some pretty terrible projections for opioid use and deaths, and new information on kiddos and the time they spend on screens. 

But first, here’s that bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have collapsed into Episode #62

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We’re here to advocate for chiropractic and to give you some awesome information to make your life easier from day-to-day. We’re going to keep you from wasting time through your week by giving you confidence in your recommendations and in your treatments. This is something I feel confident in guaranteeing you if you listen and stick to it here at the Chiropractic Forward Podcast.  

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DACO

Let’s talk a bit about the DACO program. Man, this is how it goes with the DACO: just yesterday morning, I had a patient come in, mid-’60s and literally everything hurt. Restless leg syndrome was her main complaint but her GP just yesterday already started her on Vitamin D and iron supplements so she’s going in the right direction there. I have heard of acupuncture being good for it as well but have not seen any research on that so can’t make that claim. 

Anyhooo…literally everything hurt, couldn’t sit down and basically, a general overall look of being unwell for a lack of a better word. She just didn’t look healthy. I started asking her about bone scans and she’d never had one. Well, this guy just gets feelings and when I get a feeling, they get sent out. I sent her out for a bone scan. 

No kidding, that afternoon I sit down for a class. The next one up? Yep, diagnosing osteoporosis. Lol. Wouldn’t you know it? Anyway, had I had this class before the encounter with the new patient, I might not have sent her. I’m not sure.

But, it’s just funny how in tune with clinical practice the classes really are. Also, as a consequence of the class, I have a quick sheet made up that changes the way I deal with potential osteoporosis patients from here on out. Forever and ever amen. 

Personal Happenings

So far, not a lot of blowback on my recent episode covering my thoughts on faith-based practices. Sometimes I’m mouthy, right? I get it. Who the hell cares what I have to say? I don’t know who cares honestly. Lol. But, we’re growing and growing so at least some of you identify with my way of thinking.

I’m religious and I think that’s what makes me feel that I can be credible in critiquing certain things in regard to religion. I just have a hard time with management companies coaching their impressionable doctors how to use the bible to manipulate scared patients looking for answers. When I think about it, it makes my pee hot. 

Anyway, it turns out that you guys agree with me and that makes me like you even more. Before you know it, we’re all going to be besties and share milkshakes with two straws and all of that mumbo jumbo. 

I’m glad you’re here with me today as we dive into the information I have for you this week. Here we go. 

Item #1

I want to start with one that had some conclusions I found surprising and somewhat encouraging……sort of. This new paper from The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine published January 18, 2019, and authored by Stephanie Taylor, Patricia Herman, Nell Marshall, and colleagues called “Use of Complementary and Integrated Health: A Retrospective Analysis of US Veterans with Chronic Musculoskeletal Pain Nationally[1].”

Due to time constraints on me, I didn’t go beyond the abstract here so….freaking sue me. I’ll have it cited in the show notes at chiropracticforward.com so you can go get it and dive in you over-over-achiever you with all that time sitting around. Must be nice pal. 

Why They Did It

The authors say that little is known regarding the use of complementary and integrative health therapies for chronic pain in the VA system which is the nation’s largest integrated healthcare system. We will get into chiropractic prevalence briefly.

In my experience, I can echo this paper’s sentiment that the VA is at the forefront of the movement away from opioids and toward alternative healthcare. 

They researched this paper over 2 years for the use of 9 types of alternative therapies that included meditation, yoga, acupuncture, chiropractic, guided imagery, biofeedback, tai chi, massage, and hypnosis. 

What they found

27% of younger veterans with chronic musculoskeletal pain use alternative healthcare

The most used for was meditation at 15%. I found that surprising. Meditation means slowing down, sitting still, relaxing, and all that good stuff. In this day and age, I just have a hard time seeing that as the most prevalent form of alternative healthcare. 

We all think we’re so busy and, for us chiropractors, a lot of us really ARE too busy to stop and meditate. I may just be taking my own personal experience here and assuming everyone else on the planet is like me and, of course, that’s not true. Still, meditation was the most prevalent in this study. 

Yoga was next at 7%. Again, I guess I haven’t realized how popular yoga is getting these days but, I know the VA is pushing it so that may be playing a part in it. 

Coming in in 3rd place we have acupuncture. Once again, it’s surprising to me but, the VA is directing the recommendations and, in the real world, outside of the VA, acupuncture does not out-pace chiropractic. I do believe the VA is seeing it’s use for PTSD and chronic pain though and is responding appropriately. 

Finally, here comes Chiropractic care coasting in in 4th place for chiropractic prevalence.

Ugh. We know outside the enclosed ecosystem of the VA, chiropractic care is not less prevalent than yoga, meditation, and acupuncture. But, being within the VA, we know that medical doctors, PA’s, and nurse practitioners are making these recommendations and referrals so we still clearly have a lot of work to do. We are still a world away from where we need to be in regard to chiropractic prevalence,

You know what else that means though right? There are incredible potential and opportunity. If the VA is an example of the rest of the allopathic world, we could say that even fewer than 5% of chronics get referred to us from the GPs and orthopedic surgeons. I think that’s fair because most of them are unaware of Dr. Christine Goertz’s work that was published in JAMA not long ago.

If you’re unfamiliar with that, go listen to Episode 25 of this podcast. In short, she showed how veterans with chiropractic care mixed in with their traditional care had better outcomes. That’s when we started seeing the referrals from the VA

Also, you’ll notice that all of the nine therapies tracked here were on the list of first-line therapies that came from the updated recommendations by the American College of Physicians in February of 2016[2]. 

I guess my point on the paper here is that the medical world, or at least the VA part of it, is paying attention to research regardless of whether it goes against their previously held biases. They are absolutely trying to reverse the opioid epidemic. And we have a lot of work to do to gain that trust and get those referrals. When they’re recommending meditation before chiropractic care for chronic pain, then there is a ton of room for us to shine. So go shine it up all you shiny happy people out there. 

Item #2

On to item numero dos, number 2 for our non-Spanish speaking population out there. This one is discouraging and…..well….awful if I’m being honest.

This one is from JAMA called “Prevention of Prescription Opioids Misuse and Projected Overdose Deaths in the United States” published on February 1, 2019, and authored by Quiushi Chen, Marc Larochelle, David Weaver, and colleagues[3].

Why They Did It

In JAMA, they always start with the question being answered here. The authors wanted to answer this one: “what is the projected effect of lowering incident non-medical prescription opioid use on the future trajectory of the opioid overdose crisis in the USA?

I’m just going to cut to the chase on it and leave a bunch of details out. Here’s why. I don’t want us getting bogged down in the details and methods and all that stuff.

I want you to be able to retain just a few numbers and not be distracted by the rest of the minutiae. You like that word? I know you do. Minutiae, You say that to the right fellow nerd and you may just get you a date, people.

It’s a powerful word so take it, use it, enjoy it. I swear I’m undiagnosed ADHD. I swear it. 

Anyway, here’s the deal, although we as a nation, as a world, now see the issues with opioids and are now trying to address the issue, It’s not getting better and it won’t get any better according to this paper. 

Check it out, according to this paper, the annual number of opioid overdose deaths is projected to increase from 33,100 in 2015…..then we know that 72,000 died in 2017….all the way up to 81,700 deaths projected 2025. 

They are projecting from 2016-2025 to lose a total of approximately 700,400 people to opioid deaths. They say about 80% of that will be due to illicit opioids. I don’t know how the hell they can tell that but that may be a little bit of, “yeah it’s happening but it’s not our fault,” BS going on there but who knows? In this paper, they’re assuming that the illegal use of opioids will increase from 61% in 2015 to 80% by 2025. I don’t know. Sounds like fuzzy math to me but I’m not a researcher. 

I think their numbers are fuzzy because we know 2015 saw about 36,000 die, but then 2016 saw around 63,000 die if I remember correctly. Then, 2017 saw 72,000 die. Are you seeing the graph there in your mind? It’s not only up and to the right on this deal, but its up and to the right like it’s climbing Mt. Everest. The numbers have harnesses fastened tightly and ropes and expert climbing guides and they’re going straight up the face like pros! 

These guys are guessing that by 2025, in 9 years, the deaths will only have increased a total of 9,000 per year, so….they’ll only increase an average of 1,000 deaths per year. Do you see why I think they’re crazy? The deaths increased by 9,000 just last year. Do you see what I’m saying? I’m not saying they’re wrong but….they’re wrong. Lol. 

They then say that across all interventions tested, further lowering the incidence of prescription opioid misuse from 2015 levels is projected to decrease overdose deaths by only 3%-5.3%. 

Their quoted conclusion is, “This study’s findings suggest that interventions targeting prescription opioid misuse such as prescription monitoring programs may have a modest effect, at best, on the number of opioid overdose deaths in the near future. Additional policy interventions are urgently needed to change the course of the epidemic.”

So what do we take from this exactly? Here’s my deal. On the surface at least it smells like a steaming pot of shoo shoo caca doody, 

Instead of recognizing the fact that unnecessary surgeries were many times the reason people got addicted in the first place, and that there are amazing opportunities outside the allopathic world to prevent those unnecessary and financially motivated surgeries, they say, “Hey look, a lot of this is done illegally and that’s just going to get worse and our part of this is really very small.

In fact, we can lower the prescriptions of opioids but it’s really not going to do a lot of good and, in fact, we think we should still be able to prescribe them as much as we are right now….blah blah blah poop coming out of the mouth and falling onto the floor with a splat. 

They are making guesses 9 years in the future what addict behaviors will be. I think that’s presumptuous and ultimately impossible. I just thought it was entertaining and that you all might enjoy this group trying to minimize responsibility or what role they can really play on decreasing opioid use.

I could totally be mischaracterizing this and they may have the best intentions in mind. While I trust my GP and I trust the friends of mine that are surgeons personally….I just don’t trust stuff like this. 

Obviously, I don’t agree with them but I’m a bumpkin chiro on the Texas Plains. I wouldn’t listen to me if I were them either. Lol. 

Item #3

OK, last item for this week and it’s something I’m admittedly fascinated with and I think that’s because I have a high schooler and a 5th grader and this stuff hits home any time I see it or read about it. 

This one was in JAMA too and called, “Association Between Screen Time and Children’s Performance on a Developmental Screening Test” written by Sheri Madigan, Dillon Browne, Nicole Racine and colleagues[4] published January 28, 2019. 

Why They Did It

The main question they were trying to answer was this, “Is increased screen time associated with poor performance on children’s developmental screening tests?” Basically, does screen time have a direct effect on child development?

They had 2,441 kiddos in it. A random-intercepts, cross-lagged panel model revealed that higher levels of screen time at 24 and 36 months were significantly associated with poorer performance on developmental screening tests at 36 months and 60 months. 

What They Found

Their conclusion was, “The results of this study support the directional association between screen time and child development. Recommendations include encouraging family media plans, as well as managing screen time, to offset the potential consequences of excess use.”

Yes, it’s easy to just hand them a device and hope they’re quiet long enough to get a nap in. Guilty as charged. Guilty as charged. 

But, turns out as we may have guessed if we really thought about it 8-9 years ago when all of this really started….this isn’t in their best interest in the long run. 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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Bibliography

1. Taylor S, H.P., Marshal N,, Use of Complementary and Integrated Health: A Retrospective Analysis of U.S. Veterans with Chronic Musculoskeletal Pain Nationally. J Altern Complement Med, 2019. 25(1).

2. Qaseem A, Noninvasive Treatments for Acute, Subacute, and Chronic Low Back Pain: A Clinical Practice Guideline From the American College of Physicians. Ann Intern Med, 2017. 4(166): p. 514-530.

3. Chen Q, L.M., Weaver D,, Prevention of Prescription Opioid Misuse and Projected Overdose Deaths in the United States. JAMA Network Open, 2019. 2(2): p. e187621-e187621.

4. Madigan S, Association Between Screen Time and Children’s Performance on a Developmental Screening TestAssociation Between Screen Time and Child DevelopmentAssociation Between Screen Time and Child Development. JAMA Pediatrics, 2019.

CF 025: Vets With Low Back Pain. Usual Care + Chiropractic vs. Usual Care Alone

CF 027: WANTED – Safe, Nonpharmacological Means Of Treating Spinal Pain

CF 052: Chiropractic Forward Podcast Year One Review

 

 

 

CF 060: Medical Marketing & Integration Care Expectations

CF 060: Medical Marketing & Integration Care Expectations

Today we’re going to talk about medical marketing scoundrels and about what the multidisciplinary world expects of us chiropractors. 

But first, here’s that ‘goes down so smooth’ bumper music

Integrating Chiropractors

And we’re back. .Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  We are honored you’re spending some time with us and we hope we give some entertainment and some value in return. 

Introduction

You have disco’ed your way into Episode #60 just like John Travolta in Saturday Night Live. Kids, go Google that. It was cool back then. You could walk down the street in a Staying Alive strut man. Travolta was the bee’s knees back then wasn’t he? From Mr. Kotter, to Grease, to Staying Alive. Then turned kookoo wacko on everyone. He got so open-minded that his brain fell out and went splat. 

Let’s talk a bit about the diplomate of the Academy of chiropractic orthopedists quickly. That’s also known as the DACO program that I’m currently going through. I’ve officially hit the halfway point for the online hours and only have one class left for the live hours which I’ll get in less than a month down in Austin. Basically, out of 300 hours, I have about 125 left and have just been serious about this thing since October. Recent classes have been A Neurological Approach to Scoliosis, and the Neck and a Sense of Well-Being. 

I feel like it’s scooting fairly quickly at this point. It’s funny to watch my staff when I’m performing an exam these days. They’re familiar with the way I do exams and have done them for years. Just about every week, including this week, I’m adding or taking away from what I normally do. They don’t really know how to handle it. Lol. These classes really do change what you do almost immediately. 

If I can help you get started and rocking and rolling on your DACO, shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com and I’ll be glad to point you in the right direction. 

New Year

How’s your new year starting? By the time this episode goes live, we’ll have been in it for a little over a month. I have to say that I’m confused this year. This is typically our slowest time of year. But, it’s going a little crazy this year for whatever reason. I have literally had 35 new patients in the last two weeks. It’s all I can do to get this podcast written each week, to be honest, but I’m committed. 

I actually had to come in on a Saturday to record the last episode because I just didn’t have the time available during the week to get it done. I’m not trying to brag. I think if you have a good staff, which I do, and you have them spaced appropriately, which I do, you can make your way through them while giving them the best care possible. Especially when you’re using post-graduate educations like the DACO to guide your exam and diagnosis. 

Crazy Busy

And, 35 new patients for my practice looks different than it may in a lot of clinics. I don’t see how many times we can run them through the doors. I don’t convince them their lives are at stake if they don’t see me 50 times this year. 

I used ChiroUp for all of my patients which I highly recommend. An additional $150/month seems like a lot. I know. But this programs is worth even more than that and they’re not paying me anything at all to say that. One of the things it does is track your patients through follow up emails. 

That’s how I know my case average, which is the number of times I typically see a person, stands at around 8 times while their national average stands at about 7 times. 

I know that my average improvement rating is 79.43% for ALL cases and that included everything from cervical radiculopathy and lumbar stenosis to cervicogenic headache and greater trochanteric bursitis. Their national average for improvement is 71.8% so I’m doing good there. If I’m getting 80% of my patients well, I’m happy. 

They have also tracked me at having a 98.6% likely to refer from my patients. Meaning, our patients are 98% happy to refer us to their family and friends and that makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. I’d still like to know what I can do to make that other 1.4% happy but I think some people cannot be made happy at all. 

Even if you get them well and gave them free ice cream. They’d still gripe because the ice cream didn’t have chocolate syrup on it. You know those people. You know who I’m talking about, don’t you?

Anyway, the point was….I hope your 2019 has started off like my 2019. If it sustains, I’m going to have to get me some help in here! Including a nurse practitioner. Ahhhhh, the day I finally make that leap I may have a few hundred beers. Lol. 

Paper #1

The first item of research I want to get to is on medical marketing. Why do we care what the medical field is doing for marketing? Well, because they’re the main stakeholders in healthcare and it’s important to know what they’re doing. Either we can copy it or we can go 180 degrees from it depending on what we’re talking about. 

This paper we’ll talk about was in the Journal of the American Medical Association also known as JAMA on January 1, 2019, so it’s hot off of the press. It is called “Medical Marketing in the United States, 1997-2016” and was written by Lisa Schwartz, MD and Steven Woloshin, MD[1].  Please remember, if you’d like to see the paper, the methods, and that good hulabaloo….I always cite the papers at the end of the show notes over at chiropracticforward.com. This show is episode 60 just so’s you’s knows. 

Why They Did It

They wanted to answer the question, “How has the marketing of prescription drugs, disease awareness, health services, and laboratory tests in the United States changed from 1997 through 2016?” I think that’s a great question. 

Let’s find out, shall we? I say hell yes we shall!

As far as medical marketing goes, they say, “From 1997 through 2016, medical marketing expanded substantially, and spending increased from $17.7 to $29.9 billion, with direct-to-consumer advertising for prescription drugs and health services accounting for the most rapid growth, and pharmaceutical marketing to health professionals accounting for most promotional spending.”

Let’s dial down into that just a bit. 

As you are probably already guessing because you see this trash on TV every time you turn it on but the most rapid, crazy increase in medical marketing advertising was in the direct-to-consumer advertising. It went from $2.1 billion in 1997, which was 11.9% of the total marketing….it went from $2.1 billion all the way up to $9.6 billion and now, marketing meds directly to the consumer now make up 32% of the total spending. I say NOW….that was 2016’s numbers. Probably worse now.

They broke it down even further and highlighted the prescriptions that are marketed directly. The drugs you need a prescription for ….ads for them went from $1.3 billion in ’97 which was 79,000 ads, all the way up to $6 billion dollars and 663,000 ads in 2016. 

All I have to say here is, “Dayum.”

Then, I’m not done yet….hold my beer and watch this….Lol. That’s what I feel like here. Then, they say that medical marketing straight to healthcare providers like the MDs, DOs, etc….that marketing went up from $15.6 billion to 20.3 billion in 2016 but here’s what’s crazy when you think about it, folks, $13.5 billion of that was for free samples….OK, whatever. Then $979 million went to payments to physicians for speaking fees, meals, and things like that that were related to specific products. So they paid almost a billion damn dollars to MDs to go around medical marketing & touting their drugs.  

It’s insane. You cannot tell me no way no how that with that much money in the hopper, that we don’t have some nefarious skunky smelly dirty crap snaking around and messing with people for the worse. You can’t convince me of it and I’m not a conspiracy guy either. 

Like, when they say we didn’t land on the moon, it was shot in a studio in Hollywood? Yeah, they need a kick in the nuggets. Really? The Earth is flat? Are you sure? I’ve seen a lot of pics from outers space and round is what I’m getting people!! 

You see what I mean here but I also know people and I know what greed does to people. It’s insane, honestly. 

Pharmaceutical Commercials

Let’s talk about those medical marketing commercials for a minute. Let’s make up a name that sounds a little like a prescription. How about Killyametrix? Yeah, sounds good. OK, here’s how it usually goes, “Have you been having a hard time getting into your life? Are you just tired? No energy, no drive, no ambition anymore? Wouldn’t you like to have more energy? You’re too young for this. Killyametrix has been shown to increase energy and get patients back to enjoying their lives quicker and faster than any medication in the history of man that was ever made. There are some side effects. You’ll want to talk to your doctor if you experience any of the following symptoms: gout, liver failure, tumors coming out of your eyeballs, if your foot falls right off in mid-stride, high blood pressure, going cross-eyed, bleeding from the ears and fingernails, if your hair curls, if all of your hair falls out, or if your knee cap pops right off as you sit down and shoots straight across the room knocking someone out. Other than those issues, it’s a great drug. Try Killyametrix. Ask your doctor about Killyametrix and if it might be right for you.”

Here’s the deal, when I was growing up, did you realize whiskey, bourbon, scotch, …..the hard stuff…..it was never advertised on TV because they knew it was damaging to the population so why promote it nationally. I believe it was actually illegal to advertise the hard stuff but I’m not 100% on that. 

But, now, or at least in 2016, it’s OK to advertise prescription drugs straight to the consumer to the tune of 663,000 ads at a cost of $6 billion dollars. It’s lunacy. 

How about you go to your doctor with no preconceived idea of what’s wrong with you and he or she plays doctor, figures out what’s going on with you, and the DOCTOR, the actual doctor, decides what medication you need if any at all. 

Why don’t we try that crap out in America for a change? 

If I were an MD or DO, I’d be livid every time I saw one of those stupid commercials on TV. Hell, I’m a DC and I’m livid when I see them. 

Make me a crazy person. Makes me want to go live in a rubber room for a couple of weeks to decompress.

Paper #2

Let’s get to the last thing here. This one is called “Stakeholder expectations from the integration of chiropractic care into a rehabilitation setting: a qualitative study” by Zacariah Shannon, et. al[2]. published in BMC Complementary and Alternative Medicine in December 2018. 

Why They Did It

They say that few studies exist on what the expectations of chiropractic care really are within a multidisciplinary setting so they wanted to add to the literature on this topic. 

What They Found

They found that expectations for the chiropractic program in this study were mostly positive. Good news. The idea of the patients making progress was the overriding theme for the group. They expected the addition of chiropractic to help patients progress by improving pain management and physical functioning. 

In addition, they also expected indirect effects of chiropractic on healthcare integration. Things like increasing the patient participation in other providers’ treatments which would lead to improved care for the patient across the board. 

I wonder if those other providers were or will be helping increase the chiropractor’s load as well? That’s a good question to ask. 

Wrap It Up

They summed it up by saying, “Stakeholders expected the addition of chiropractic care to a rehabilitation specialty hospital to benefit patients through pain management and functional improvements leading to whole person healing. They also expected chiropractic to benefit the healthcare team by facilitating other therapies in pursuit of the hospital mission, that is, moving patients towards discharge.”

Not bad, not bad. It’s a helluva lot better than we had going on for us before the opioid crisis. I’ll give them that. I think the only part of this I really don’t like is their expectation of the chiropractor helping feed the rest of them while, in my biased opinion, they should be feeding the chiropractor first in an effort to keep people off of meds. 

Their stated goals are pain management and physical function. Well…that’s sort of right in our wheelhouse so why wouldn’t we be getting those first? I think the stakeholders have been fed quite enough. They’re fat as hell and slobbering. 

Bring the evidence-informed chiropractors in and watch your patients shine with happiness, leave amazing reviews, and go out and tell your city about all of the good things your clinic is doing. 

If they get the right evidence-based chiropractor in there, that’s the way I see it playing out because the research we covered several weeks ago shows us that chiropractors have the highest patient outcome satisfaction when compared to MD and DO’s, in fact, we wipe the floor with those people in regard to musculoskeletal issues. Not only that but we beat out the PTs as well on outcome measures. 

But we should feed them, right? They should be thankful to have us. 

Integrating Chiropractors The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient.

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

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Bibliography

1. Schwartz L, W.S., Medical Marketing in the United States, 1997-2016. JAMA, 2019. 321(1): p. 80-96.

2. Shannon Z, S.S., , Gosselin D, Vining R,, Stakeholder expectations from the integration of chiropractic care into a rehabilitation setting: a qualitative study. BMC Comp Altern Med, 2018. 18(316).

 

https://www.chiropracticforward.com/cf-025-vets-with-low-back-pain-usual-care-chiropractic-vs-usual-care-alone/

https://www.chiropracticforward.com/cf-032-how-evidence-based-chiropractic-can-help-save-the-day/

 

CF 027: WANTED – Safe, Nonpharmacological Means Of Treating Spinal Pain

 

 

CF 055: w/ Dr. James Lehman – The Future Of Chiropractic, Chiropractic Specialization, & Chiropractic Integration

CF 055: w/ Dr. James Lehman – The Future Of Chiropractic, Chiropractic Specialization, & Chiropractic Integration  

Today we’re going to talk to one of the giants in our profession, Dr. James Lehman. We will be talking to Dr. James Lehman all about all sorts of things but mostly about the future of chiropractic. What is it looking like for those of us in the profession over the course of the next 15-30 years?

Dr. James Lehman, FACO - University of Bridgeport Connecticut

But first, here’s that delicious bumper music

Integrating Chiropractors

 

OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  We will get to Dr. James Lehman soon. 

Introduction

You have fluttered into Episode #55 kind of like the feather on Forrest Gump. Come on, you know the feather from literally one of the best movies of all time. Yes, that feather. 

Diplomate of the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists

This is normally the point in the program where I mention the DACO program and how I am progressing through it but, for reasons that will become obvious fairly quickly, we are going to save that talk for just a little later in our program. 

However, I will tell you I have 80 online hours at this point and some of my more recent classes have been Why does my shoulder keep hurting and how to diagnose a tension-type headache. If you recall from a week or so ago, two classes on migraines were among the classes so, after this last week, I’m getting a handle on the headache mystery. 

I have just about completed all of the Diagnostic Drills. There are 40 of them and I’ve finished 39 of them. The last one is on ankle sprain and what we really need to know about them. Then, we move on to Communication Drills that reinforce these Diagnostic Drills and help you write to your colleagues in an effective and professional way to describe your findings. I’m looking forward to those!

Introduction of Dr. James Lehman

Now, let’s go ahead and get on with the reason we’re all here. Before we speak with Dr. James Lehman, I want to go through a little background information on him for you so you are well aware of who he is and where he is coming from. 

Dr. James Lehman is an Associate Professor of Clinical Sciences at the University of Bridgeport/College of Chiropractic and Director of Health Sciences Postgraduate Education (HSPED). 

Dr. James Lehman completed his MBA at the University of New Mexico and a doctorate in chiropractic medicine at the Logan College of Chiropractic in St. Louis, Missouri.

Dr. James Lehman is a board-certified, chiropractic orthopedist. He teaches orthopedic and neurological examination and differential diagnosis of neuromusculoskeletal conditions. In addition, he provides clinical rotations for fourth-year chiropractic students and chiropractic residents in the community health center and a sports medicine rotation in the training facility of the local professional baseball team. 

As Director, Dr. James Lehman developed the three-year, full-time resident training program in chiropractic orthopedics and neuromusculoskeletal medicine. The program offers training within primary care facilities of a Federally Qualified Health Center and Patient-Centered Medical Home. While practicing in New Mexico, he mentored fourth-year, UNM medical students. 

Welcome to the show Dr. James Lehman, it’s an honor to have you on the Chiropractic Forward Podcast this week. 

Questions for Dr. Lehman

How did the job at UofB become a reality for you? How did you make that happen or even make it a possibility?

Can you tell me about your position at UofB? 

What are your responsibilities? 

What does a regular day for you look like? 

Dr. Lehman and I became acquainted with each other through the DACO program. In case you have been hiding under a rock, zoning off during our podcasts, or maybe this is the very first podcast you’ve listened to of ours, DACO stands for Diplomate of American Chiropractic Orthopedists. 

What got you so interested in the Orthopedic side of our profession? 

What was it that made you want to specialize originally?

Can you tell us a little about your experience with chiropractic integration over the years? 

Have you had some battles to fight internally against medical practitioners?

What are some of the pitfalls and what are some of the rewards beyond seeing the patients recover?

Can you tell us about FQHCs? I had no idea they existed, especially in my city, until you showed me. Integrating into an FQHC was something that was never on my radar until we talked in Dallas.

At this point in our discussion, I need to tell you, the audience, that Dr. Lehman has played a vital role in furthering the DACO program. Through his position at the University of Bridgeport Connecticut, and through a partnership of sorts with online education through Chiropractic Development International out of Australia, obtaining the DACO has become very do-able and very attainable for all that may be so inclined. 

Dr. Lehman, can you tell us a little about how you and the University of Bridgeport got involved in the DACO and how it’s going so far? How did you identify the need and then go about filling that need?

Can you tell us why you feel like specialization like the DACO is so important to doctors of chiropractic these days? 

Why has this become your mission?

Through email, you suggested to me that, for the chiropractic profession to gain the respect of the healthcare system, a reasonable definition of chiropractic would be a good starting point. You offered a definition that doesn’t restrict providers nor does it highlight ‘subluxation.’ That definition is as follows:

“The evidence-based practice of differential diagnosis, patient-centered treatment, and prevention of pain and human disease as taught by CCE-approved chiropractic colleges, institutions, or schools.”

Tell me how you came up with this definition. 

Just to tell a quick personal experience, I have been introduced before by one neurosurgeon to another neurosurgeon using a disclaimer. He said, “He’s not one of THOSE chiropractors. He’s one of the good guys.” Which, I have to say that I appreciated the vote of confidence but at the same time it made me think, “With such a prevailing sentiment toward our profession, how will we ever integrate successfully or is it even possible?”

Do you think that even those of us that are specializing are going to be forever introduced with a disclaimer? I personally don’t see how a profession as split as ours progresses and integrates successfully. Is there a solution to this or are we just stuck with the split and the internal fighting?

With the knowledge that PTs are now utilizing spinal manipulative therapy, what do you feel is going to happen with our profession in the next 15-30 years?

In the two classes I’ve sat through with you as a speaker, you were adamant about Informed Consent. I read your paper on that topic after I got back from Dallas and thought it was pretty interesting. Informed Consent doesn’t sound like a particularly interesting or sexy topic to the general population so, would you mind telling us about that and what interested you enough in a topic like Informed Consent to actually publish a paper on it?

We covered the vast divide in our profession, what are some other big obstacles you see on the horizon for our profession right now?

In our private Chiropractic Forward Group, when we discussed you episode coming on the show, Dr. Brandon Steele said I need to ask you this question, “What can students do right now to prepare for current trends in Healthcare? Are there residencies, certifications, internships or other equivalents they should be considering going through to prepare for their future after graduation?”

Also in the private group, Dr. William Lawson, who has been a guest with us before, told me to ask you about rural healthcare centers and how a chiropractor can work in or own a rural healthcare center. 

 being with us and taking time out of your day. I really appreciate you and what you are doing for our profession. I don’t know where we would be without folks like you and others just like you. 

Integrating Chiropractors

 

The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient.

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out.

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We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward.

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CF 029: w/ Dr. Devin Pettiet – Is Chiropractic Integration Healthy For The Profession?

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CF 046: Chiropractic Effectiveness – Chiropractic Integration – Chiropractic Future

CF 052: Chiropractic Forward Podcast Year One Review

CF 052: Chiropractic Forward Podcast Year One Review

One year. I started this podcast exactly one year ago. 52 weeks. 52 episodes. We’re going to talk about the highlights of the first year. We’re going to talk about chiropractic today vs. chiropractic when I started a year ago. Has anything changed? The short answer is yes. Quite a bit has changed in just a year. 

But first, here’s that sweet like honey bumper music

Integrating Chiropractors

Welcome

OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have collapsed into Episode #52 and it feels good to say that. To be able to do anything consistently for a year straight, every single week, it’s an accomplishment for sure and it sure as hell feels good folks. 

DACO Program

Before we get into the highlights. let’s talk a bit about the DACO program. For those new to the Chiropractic Forward Podcast, I have been going through the Diplomate of American Chiropractic Orthopedists. I’m 92 hours into a 300-hour course. Ugh…that hurts just to say it. Lol. I don’t even feel close to being done. 

I figured it out that at the rate I’m going now, which is about 8 hours per week, I can be done around May I believe. While it seems way off, you know what? I’d be learning and educating myself anyway. Why not get something out of it, right? That’s the idea and May will be here before you know it. 

Hell, it seems like it was Summer just a couple of weeks ago. Lol. 

Products

I have been fast at work preparing some new options for you. I have noticed  a lack of what I would want in my office when it talks 

One-Year Anniversary

Let’s get on to talking about our one-year anniversary. I want to start by talking listen out our top 10 episodes so far and what we talked about that made everyone listen to each of them. I’m linking them all for quick reference in the show notes. So away we go!

Number 10

Episode #30 – Integrating Chiropractors – What’s It Going To Take? We discussed the medical field and what they are looking for in a chiropractor in regard to integrating that individual into the system. We went over The Lancet papers as well. Great episode to check out. 

CF 030: Integrating Chiropractors – What’s It Going To Take?

 

Number 9

Episode #25 – Vets With Low Back Pain. Usual Care + Chiropractic vs. Usual Care Alone. This episode revolved around a paper in JAMA from Dr. Christine Goertz where she and her co-authors showed additional support for including chiropractic as part of a multidisciplinary team for treating low back pain. Great paper by a great asset for chiropractic. 

CF 025: Vets With Low Back Pain. Usual Care + Chiropractic vs. Usual Care Alone

Number 8

Episode #28 – Will Chiropractic First Finally Take Its Place? In this installment, we went through a paper that showed non-pharma and non-opioid therapies are now the preference. Well, that’s chiropractic, right? We talked about some GREAT resources in this episode including the President’s Commission on Combating Drug Addiction and The Opioid Crisis report as well as a great paper by Jon Adams Ph called The Prevalence, Patterns, and Predictors of Chiropractic Use Among US Adults. That one had some marketing nuggets for the nugget pouch.

CF 028: Will Chiropractic First Finally Take Its Place?

 

Number 7

Episode #27 – Wanted – Safe, Nonpharmacological Means of Treating Spinal Pain. This episode went through treating spinal pain, thoracic manipulation, lumbar manipulation, guidelines from Canada, and the perceptions of our profession. We discussed a paper about how some in the medical profession think chiropractors go around herniating discs all the time. Pfft… 

CF 027: WANTED – Safe, Nonpharmacological Means Of Treating Spinal Pain

 

Number 6

Episode #9 – With Dr. Tom Hollingsworth of Corpus Christi, TX called The Case Against Chiropractic In Texas. We talked with Dr. Hollingsworth about the Texas Medical Association’s attacks on Texas Chiropractors and our rights. We talked about the latest in the current court case and the appeal process. 

Just a couple of weeks ago, in fact, this case had a decision that was reached and it wasn’t good for chiropractors. And I’m talking about chiropractors nationwide. We’ll have to do an updated episode with Dr. Hollingsworth because what may be on its way down the pike for all chiropractors…..well….let’s just say it’s no bueno. 

CF 009: With Dr. Tom Hollingsworth: The Case Against Chiropractic In Texas

 

Number 5

Episode #26 – Chiropractic Better Than Physical Therapy and Usual Medical Care For Musculoskeletal Issues. The title is accurate. And researched fact. There are some that don’t like that language. Can’t we all get along? That type of deal and yes, we can all get along. Most certainly. My issue is with PTs being the first referral for non-complicated musculoskeletal issues when research shows they have decreased effectiveness when compared to chiropractic care. 

They have less patient satisfaction when compared to chiropractic care as well. In addition, research shows chiropractic care to be a lot less expensive. So why in the hell is a practitioner that is exponentially more expensive, much less effective on their outcomes, and patients don’t like as much…..why the hell are they the first referral? That still makes my pee hot when I really really think about it. It’s dumb. 

I don’t think we should be doing post-surgical rehab unless we take specific training in that. I think PTs and DCs can work very well together but there should be lanes and I don’t think PTs stay in their lane. Not when they’re out there taking a weekend course on adjusting. It’s BS and that doesn’t stand for Bad Students. 

CF 026: Chiropractic Better Than Physical Therapy and Usual Medical Care For Musculoskeletal Issues

 

Number 4

Episode #29 – With Dr. Devin Pettiet of Tomball, TX, still the President of the Texas Chiropractic Association. This episode was titled Is Chiropractic Integration Healthy For the Profession? We talked with Dr. Pettiet all about chiropractic integration into a medical based case management or medical team. 

This one was one of my favorites too. For sure. Devin is a great resource and a great personality. He’s all energy and has an awesome amount of information and experience.

CF 029: w/ Dr. Devin Pettiet – Is Chiropractic Integration Healthy For The Profession?

 

Number 3

Episode #6 with Dr. Tyce Hergert from Southlake, TX. This episode is called Astounding expert Information on Immediate Headache Relief. This one was all about headaches and highlighted one service that was dressed up and parading around as another. Yes, those pesky PTs are moving in on us and this episode talked about little bit about that along with some great papers showing chiropractic’s effectiveness with treating headaches. Fun episode. 

CF 006: With Dr. Tyce Hergert: Astounding Expert Information On Immediate Headache Relief

 

Number 2

Episode #13 – DEBUNKED: The Odd Myth That Chiropractors Cause Strokes. My favorite episode and my favorite endeavor as far as really putting together information to stick a fork in an anti-chiropractic idea or myth. This is actually a three-part series consisting of #13, 14, and 15. All three episodes really paint a picture of foolishness on the part of the medical field and a coordinated attack that is easily put to rest through common sense, correct context, and research. 

It’s really so simple when you take the time to listen, learn, and just think about it for a minute. They are the three episodes I encourage you to share the very most out of all of them I have created. 

CF 013: DEBUNKED: The Odd Myth That Chiropractors Cause Strokes (Part 1 of 3)

 

Number 1

Episode #11 – called It’s Here. New Guides For Low Back Pain That Medical Doctors Are Ignoring.

The most listened-to episode for our first year was Episode #11 once again with my old friend and colleague Dr. Tyce Hergert down in Southlake, TX. He has TWO episodes in the top 10 from our first year. That’s because he’s smart, he’s the ex-President of the Texas Chiropractic Association, and he’s entertaining if he’s had his coffee. 

In this one, we talked about current healthcare guidelines, why they matter to chiropractic patients and even non-patients, and whether MDs are getting it or not. Guess what? They’re still ignoring these guides!

CF 011: With Dr. Tyce Hergert: It’s Here. New Guides For Low Back Pain That Medical Doctors Are Ignoring

 

Wrap Up

So….there you have it, folks. That’s our Top 10 in a nutshell with all of the links in the show notes. We have had a great first year. We hope you have enjoyed the content we have been bringing to you as much as we have enjoyed gathering it for you. 

There is so much going on in our profession. Both good and bad. It’s important to stay plugged in now more than ever. We’ll talk about it in a future episode but the Texas Chiropractors lost their appeal and the medical kingdom will bring their dog and pony show to your state before you know it. Believe me. 

But, for evidence-based chiropractors, there’s still no better time than today to be a doctor of chiropractic. I firmly believe that to be the truth.

Integrating Chiropractors

 

The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point: 

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out. 

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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CF 045: Harvard Health, Low Back Stenosis, Allergy Autism

CF 045: Harvard Health, Low Back Stenosis, Allergy Autism

As the title this week indicates, I’ve taken some files that have been gathering a little bit of dust in the dark corner and I’m bringing them out into the light.

Today we’ll talk about an article in Harvard Health, we’ll talk about low back stenosis research (something that doesn’t get a lot of attention), we’ll talk about a JAMA article on allergies and autism, and we’ll hit on a paper attempting to explain why some patients respond while others do not. 

Integrating Chiropractors

 

But first, you know what’s up, I wrote and recorded our jingle so you might as well just sit back and enjoy this candy for your ears. When you do create something, it’s going to be in EVERY show don’t ya know!! Here’s that bumper music

OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have collapsed into Episode #45

OK, first thing, we should probably talk about the Texas vs. Oklahoma game that just happened this last weekend. By the time this posts, it’ll be two weeks ago but, still need to brag. What a game that was. I’m a Texas boy but either way would have been fine since most of OU’s players are from Texas anyway. I go for all of the Texas teams. 

I want to thank Kyle Swanson for the shout out on the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance group a couple weeks ago. He’s a Texas A&M Aggie. Look, like I said, I root for A&M too so we would probably be buddies in the real world if I’m guessing out loud. 

Front Desk Staffing

Let’s get to the ongoing saga of hiring a new front desk staff. If you’ve been following along, you’ll remember that hiring a new front desk staff member has been nothing but a soup sandwich. 

Messy. Gloppy, Unreal and confusing. Those are just some words I’m laying on you. I have more words for what we’ve been through on this deal but then my podcast would have an explicit designation and I try to keep it clean around here. 

But, I believe progress has been made. We seem to have a new one that seems to be on top of her game. If she’s a “sticker,” then the search may very well be over. Of course, she’s not young which is probably why she’s a sticker so far. She’s closer to my age than any of the others have been. I’m not saying that young people have no work ethic…..I’m just saying that all of the young people that we interviewed for this job have no work ethic. 

That sounds like I’m against young people, millennials, blah blah blah. I’m not. I have had some VERY intelligent and capable young people come through here as employees over the years. There are very smart, very talented young folks out there. We just didn’t encounter any of them for this round of hiring. That’s all I’m saying. 

Moving on

October has really taken off in terms of listens for the podcast. I can only guess you’re sharing episodes here and there with your network. To that, I say thank you. If I ever see you somewhere and you tell me you have been sharing my stuff, and hold your hands out like, “bring it in big boy,” well then…you’re getting a hug my friend.

I’m a hugger. Which can probably be scary if you don’t know me. I’m 6’4” and like 280 so….big guy coming through! But, those that know me know that I’m a teddy bear. Unless you try to steal my food. Then it’s pretty much on at that point. 

On to the research

Let’s get on with trying to make your practice better. When your practice is better, your life is better. 

Let’s start with the Harvard Article. It was published in November 2017. I have it linked at chiropracticforward.com for you all in the show notes for episode 45. The name of the article is “Where to turn for low back pain relief[1]” and I couldn’t find the name of the author so there ya go. 

https://www.health.harvard.edu/pain/where-to-turn-for-low-back-pain-relief

The subtitle of this Harvard Medical journal….medical journal……is this: in most cases, a primary care doctor or chiropractor can help you resolve the problem. What the hell??? It seriously says that in a Harvard Medical article. I’m trying to catch my breath here. Sorry…..

It was published in November of 2017. The article says that there are many causes of low back pain and some of the most common is an injury to muscles or tendon which we know is called a strain and then injury to back ligaments which we call a sprain. And then there are herniated or bulging discs. 

Going through the DACO program tells me that the prevalence between disc, facet, and SI joint pain stands at 40% for the disc, 30% for the facet, and 22.5% for the SI joint pain. BUT….over the age of 50 years old, it flips a little and the Facet joint gains prevalence over disc or SI pain. Just some nuggets to tuck away in your nugget pouch. 

This article just blows me away when it gets to the “Where to Turn” subtitle. Beneath this subheader, it says, “Since you shouldn’t try to diagnose your own back pain, make your first call to a professional who can assess your problems, such as a primary care physician or a chiropractor.”

Both can serve as the entry point for back pain says Dr. Matthew Kowalski who serves as a chiropractor with the Other Clinical Center for Integrative Medicine at the Harvard-affiliated Brigham and Women’s Hospital. 

What the hell is happening here? Am I in the Twilight Zone where everything is flipped and the medical world finally gets it?

The article goes on to say “A well-trained chiropractor will sort out whether you should be in their care or the care of a physical therapist or medical doctor.”

And here’s the difference between evidence-based/patient-centered chiropractors and those that are not. 

The more not evidence-based amongst us, the ones that drive a billion people through their doors for everything from allergies to whatever…..they will not typically be turning those patients over to the medical doctor or the PT. 

Moving to the next paper, it’s called “Comprehensive Nonsurgical Treatment Versus Self-directed Care to Improve Walking Ability in Lumbar Spinal Stenosis: A Randomized Trial” authored by Carlo Ammendolia, et. al. It’s all about low back stenosis. This paper is co-authored by DCs, AND MDs. It was published in the Archives of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation on October 27, 2017[2]. 

Why They Did It

They wanted to the effectiveness of a comprehensive nonsurgical training program to a self-directed approach in improving walking ability in low back stenosis.

How They Did It

  • It was a randomized controlled trial
  • It was done in an Academic hospital outpatient clinic
  • Participants suffered neurogenic claudication
  • MRI confirmed lumbar spinal stenosis
  • Subjects were suffering low back stenosis and randomized

What They Found

The conclusion stated, “A comprehensive conservative program demonstrated superior, large, and sustained improvements in walking ability and can be a safe nonsurgical treatment option for patients with neurogenic claudication due to LSS”

Low back stenosis can be helped

Dr. Ammendola has an amazing lumbar spinal stenosis program and training course. I have not personally taken it just yet but, it’s on my list after I finish up the DACO program. It comes HIGHLY recommended and this paper shows us why. 

Trucking on, this one is called “Do participants with low back pain who respond to spinal manipulative therapy differ biomechanically from nonresponders, untreated controls or asymptomatic controls?” It was published in Spine Journal in September of 2015 and authored by Wong, et. al. [3]

Why They Did It

To determine whether patients with low back pain (LBP) who respond to spinal manipulative therapy (SMT) differ biomechanically from nonresponders, untreated. Some, but not all patients with low back pain report improvement after a visit to the chiropractor. Why does that happen?

What They Found

After the first SMT, SMT responders displayed statistically significant decreases in spinal stiffness and increases in multifidus thickness ratio sustained for more than 7 days; these findings were not observed in other groups.

Wrap It Up

Quote, “Those reporting post-SMT improvement in disability demonstrated simultaneous changes between self-reported and objective measures of spinal function. This coherence did not exist for asymptomatic controls or no-treatment controls. These data imply that SMT impacts biomechanical characteristics within SMT responders not present in all patients with LBP.”

And our last one this week comes to us from JAMA, also known as the Journal of the American Medical Association. This one is called, “Association of Food Allergy and Other Allergic Conditions With Autism Spectrum Disorder in Children.[4]” It was authored by Guifeng, et. al. and published in 2018. Again, these papers are cited in the show notes at chiropracticforward.com under episode 45 so check them out yourself please. 

The question they attempt to answer here is, “What are the associations of food allergy and other allergic conditions with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) in children?”

They say in the paper that Common allergic conditions, in particular, food allergy, are associated with autism among US children, but the underlying mechanism for this association needs further study.

The study was a population-based, cross-sectional study used data from the National Health Interview Survey collected between 1997 and 2016

The conclusion was quote, “In a nationally representative sample of US children, a significant and positive association of common allergic conditions, in particular, food allergy, with ASD was found.”

They now need to find out the cause and underlying mechanisms so they can attempt to reverse the upswing of autism here in America. 

So….it appears maybe it’s not all due to vaccines after all. 

Integrating Chiropractors

That wraps it up for us this week. I hope you enjoyed it. Research can be boring but, it can be fascinating too when you allow it to help guide your thought process when you are approaching your daily tasks and deciding on treatment options for your patients. 

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is a mechanical pain and responds better to mechanical treatment instead of chemical treatments.

The literature is clear: research and experience show that, in 80%-90% of headaches, neck, and back pain, patients get good to excellent results when compared to usual medical care and it’s safe, less expensive, and decreases chances of surgery and disability.

It’s done conservatively and non-surgically with little time requirement or hassle for the patient. If done preventatively going forward, we can likely keep it that way while raising overall health! At the end of the day, patients have the right to the best treatment that does the least harm and THAT’S Chiropractic, folks.

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Being the #1 Chiropractic podcast in the world would be pretty darn cool. 

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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Bibliography

1. School, H.M., Where to turn for low back pain relief. Harvard Health Publishing, 2017.

2. Ammendolia C, Comprehensive Nonsurgical Treatment Versus Self-directed Care to Improve Walking Ability in Lumbar Spinal Stenosis: A Randomized Trial, in North American Spine Society Meeting. 2017, Archives of Physical Medicine and Rehabiliation: Orlando, FL.

3. Wong AY, Do participants with low back pain who respond to spinal manipulative therapy differ biomechanically from nonresponders, untreated controls or asymptomatic controls? Spine, 2015. 40(17): p. 1329-37.

4. Guifeng X, Association of Food Allergy and Other Allergic Conditions With Autism Spectrum Disorder in Children. JAMA, 2018. 1(2).

 

CF 016: Review of The Lancet Article on Low Back Pain (Pt. 1)

CF 040: w/ Dr. Brandon Steele: Chiropractic Standardization & The Future of Chiropractic

w/ Dr. Brandon Steele: Chiropractic Standardization & The Future of Chiropractic

Today we’re going to talk with Dr. Brandon Steele about a lot of stuff but specifically, we’ll talk about Chiropractic standardization, educational advancement, and the future of chiropractic. Stick around for an awesome discussion with an extremely sharp doctor on the forefront of our profession.

Integrating Chiropractors

But first, here’s that bumper music

OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

Now that I have you here, I want to ask you to go to chiropracticforward.com and sign up for our newsletter. It makes it easier to let you know when the newest episode goes live and if we come up with something pretty cool we need to be telling you about. We won’t use it any more than once per week and that’s about all you need to know. It’s not as big of a deal as most of you have in your mind. Just go do it right now while you’re thinking about it. 

We continue to grow our listenership here. I’m a stats nerd. Trust me, I check them more than what one may consider a healthy amount of times. It’s just who I am. Thank you to you all for tuning in. 

If you can continue to share us with your network, we sure would appreciate it. 

We are honored to have you listening. Now, here we go with some vital information that we think can build confidence and improve your practice which will improve your life overall.

You have passed out and woke up right here in Episode #40

Welcome Dr. Brandon Steele

We have a special guest with us this week. As I said from the top we have Dr. Brandon Steele with us today. He is a very respected speaker and has the awesome chance to travel all over doing just that. 

I first became aware of Dr. Steele when I began taking courses in the DACO program. Dr. Steele is one of the instructors and I got to sit in a classroom for two days listening to him cover everything we needed to know about the shoulder. 

I also much have some full disclosure here I think. Dr. Steele is a co-owner of ChiroUp with Dr. Tim Bertlesman and I’m a user/subscriber of ChiroUp. But, ChiroUp isn’t sponsoring this episode. I haven’t received a thing from them. Not even a free membership. Cough cough… 

Seriously though, I’m having Dr. Steele on today because we think a lot alike from what I can tell, I love what they are doing with the DACO program, and I love where I think ChiroUp can help take our industry down the road in regards to Chiropractic standardization & the future of chiropractic. So, without further adieu…….

Questions for Dr. Brandon Steele

Welcome to the show Dr. Steele. Let’s start off with the obligatory question of, “What made you decide to be a chiropractor?”

In our discussion in Dallas, you told me that you’ve moved around a bit. Where are you from and what led you to St. Louis?

I have seen the terms evidence-based and evidence-informed used for what we do and must admit my ignorance of the subtle differences here. I have assumed that, since I follow research, guidelines, and things like that, that I am indeed what is referred to as an evidence-based chiropractor. Can we assume the same about you? 

When exactly did you decide to start traveling more in the direction of evidence and research rather than the philosophical route in the profession? Was there an aha moment?

Tell me a little bit about your hilarious alter-ego, the wide-lapeled chiropractic huckster we see you play in videos from time to time on the ChiroUp Facebook page. 

Part of the idea of being more into the research and being based or informed with the evidence, I think, is Chiropractic standardization…. to standardize our profession to some extent as well as increasing the level of education of the run of the mill chiropractor. We know we don’t have a low level of education at all so….can you go into that a little bit for us? What do you mean when you speak about Chiropractic standardization & the future of chiropractic?

Tell me everything about the DACO program. What got you involved with the DACO program originally?

Our regular listeners should be well-aware of you, Dr. Tim Bertlesman, and ChiroUp at this point. I’ve been pumping your tires for a bit. How did you and Dr. Bertlesman become acquainted with each other and then decide to go into business together?

Questions About ChiroUp, Chiropractic Standardization, and the Future of Chiropractic

Now, tell us a bit about ChiroUp. It feels like to me that it is really starting to hit its stride. I think ChiroUp is huge for Chiropractic standardization & the future of chiropractic.

Obviously, you want it to be successful for your own financial reasons….we all want to see our businesses to well….. but don’t you see something more than that for the profession coming out of ChiroUp? How do you think ChiroUp can affect or change our profession for the better in the years to come, for the future of chiropractic?

What is in the future for ChiroUp as far as updates, functionality…..things like that?

Questions About Dr. Steele’s Speaking Events

What are some of your upcoming speaking events so people can come to see you do your thing?

How can listeners find you on social media or on the internet and contact you or learn more about you and what you do?

So there you have it folks, Dr. Brandon Steele. There’s no doubt you loved this podcast episode as much as I did. The future is bright for Chiropractic standardization & the future of chiropractic.

Integrating Chiropractors

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio. That’s because spinal pain is a mechanical pain and responds better to mechanical treatment instead of chemical treatments.

Chiropractic Description

The literature is clear: research and experience show that, in 80%-90% of headaches, neck, and back pain, patients get good to excellent results when compared to usual medical care and it’s safe, less expensive, and decreases chances of surgery and disability.

It’s done conservatively and non-surgically with little time requirement or hassle for the patient. If done preventatively going forward, we can likely keep it that way while raising overall health! At the end of the day, patients have the right to the best treatment that does the least harm and THAT’S Chiropractic, folks.

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Being the the #1 Chiropractic podcast in the world would be pretty darn cool. 

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. 

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