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How Specific Are Adjustments & Nerve Flossing Effectiveness

CF 318: How Specific Are Adjustments & Nerve Flossing Effectiveness Today we’re going to talk about How Specific Are Adjustments & Nerve Flossing Effectiveness But first, here’s that sweet sweet bumper music        

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    OK, we are back and you have found the Chiropractic Forward Podcast where we are giving evidence-based chiropractic a little personality and making it profitable. We’re not the stuffy, elitist, pretentious kind of research. We’re research talk over a couple of beers. So grab you a bushel.  I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  I’m so glad you’re spending your time with us learning together.  Chiropractors – I’m hiring at my personal clinic. I need talent, ambition, smarts, personality, and easy to get along with associates. If this is you and Amarillo, TX is your speed, send me an email at creekstonecare@gmail.com If you haven’t yet I have a few things you should do. 
  • Go to Amazon and check our my book called The Remarkable Truth About Chiropractic: A Unique Journey Into The Research. It’s excellent resource for you and is categorized into sections so the information is easy to find and written in a way that is easy to understand for everyone. It’s on Amazon. That’s the Remarkable Truth About Chiropractic by Jeff Williams. 
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You have found yourself smack dab in the middle of Episode #318 Now if you missed last week’s episode, we talked about The WHO’s Sources For Opinion On Spinal Manipulative Therapy (Part 7).  We’re building a fairly clear picture of what the WHO has based their opinon of SMT on and it’s pretty shaky ground in my opinion. Basically, I think there’s an underlying agenda. There’s no way in my mind that ultrasound is equal in effectiveness to SMT, which is what the WHO is essentially saying  and we’re showing that the research they’ve used to base that opinion on pretty much sucks compared to more current research literature.  ake sure you don’t miss that info. Keep up with the class.  On the personal end of things….. We just flew back from The Bahamas last night and boy are my arms tired.  This was our first time to The Bahamas and we decided to give it a try because something in Mexico is always on fire or someone has just lost their head or something cartel crazy. So Mexico is a no for us. Lots of my friends still visit but not this gabacho. No siree.  So we figured with The Bahamas being just about 30 minutes on teh other side of Florida, that would be a nice little trip. So…..of course,….a few weeks before we go, news trickles in that 18 people ahve been murdered there within a month and the US Embassy raised the travel alert level for the Bahamas. That’s purely because we decided to book a trip there, by the way. In case you were wondering.  So, we were a little concerned but we shouldn’t have worried. We went straight from the airport to the resort with a transportation service and never left the resort on purpose. We could tell it was a bit sketch so we had no desire to explore. Plus, the resort/casino had tons of restaurants, tons of pools, a water park, fountains, the beach and ocean….all of it was pretty much right there so there was no need to explore really.  We stayed at Baha Mar and we really won’t be going back for a couple of reasons. We want to go somewhere that we don’t really need to worry about our safety. Like the Caymans, Costa Rica, Virgin Islands, or the Florida Keys. Also, except for a few places, we don’t usually return. Once we’ve seen it and done it, it’s time to explore something new.  This resort had a rave, dance party until 3:15 am on Friday night. I was furious. I guess with it being partly a casino, that’s appealing to someone but it’s not a non-gambling 51 year old that came to The Bahamas for rest and relaxation. Furious is an understatement but I got over it.  Everyone was great, the resort was mostly pretty impressive, and the getaway was a nice change. No work. Just hanging out and I enjoyed it.  Now, back to work and a day short this week so let’s get on with it.  Item #1 Our first one this week is called, “Determining cavitation location during lumbar and thoracic spinal manipulation: is spinal manipulation accurate and specific?” By ross et. Al and published in Spine Journal in July of 2004.  Remember, the citations can be found at chiropractscforward.com under this episode.  Ross JK, Bereznick DE, McGill SM. Determining cavitation location during lumbar and thoracic spinal manipulation: is spinal manipulation accurate and specific? Spine (Phila Pa 1976). 2004 Jul 1;29(13):1452-7. doi: 10.1097/01.brs.0000129024.95630.57. PMID: 15223938. Why They Did It Clinicians utilizing spinal manipulative therapy (SMT) claim to be very specific and accurate with the delivery of their dynamic thrust.  It has been suggested that the clinical success of SMT is dependent on the accurate delivery of that therapy to the target spinal joints. The purpose of this study is to first locate the joints that produce an audible sound in response to manipulation (cavitation) during spinal manipulative procedures so that the accuracy and specificity of manipulation can be assessed. How They Did It Sixty-four asymptomatic participants, ranging in age from 22 to 49 years, volunteered to act as patients for the study.  Twenty-eight different clinicians performed thoracic and lumbar spinal manipulative procedures.  The range of clinical experience was 1 to 43 years. Asymptomatic participants received SMT to either the thoracic or lumbar regions of their spine.  Accelerometers were secured to the skin over the spinal column, and the relative time at which each accelerometer detected the vibration from the cavitation associated with the SMT was used to calculate the source of the vibration.  The site of cavitation was then compared with the target location. What They Found For lumbar SMT, the average error from target of 124 cavitations in lumbar procedures was 5.29 cm (at least one vertebra away from target), with a range of 0 to 14 cm.  Of these cavitations, 57 were deemed to be accurate and 67 were deemed to be inaccurate.  The average error from target of 54 cavitations in the thoracic spine was 3.5 cm, with a range of 0 to 9.5 cm.  Of these cavitations, 29 were deemed to be accurate and 25 were deemed to be inaccurate.  In most cases, individual manipulative procedures were associated with multiple cavitations ranging from 2 to 6. Wrap It Up In the lumbar spine, SMT was accurate about half the time.  However, because most procedures were associated with multiple cavitations, in most cases, at least one cavitation emanated from the target joints.  In the thoracic spine, SMT appears to be more accurate. Item #2 Our last one today is called “Effectiveness of neural mobilisation for the treatment of nerve-related cervicobrachial pain: a systematic review with subgroup meta-analysis” by Lascurain-Aguirrebena et. Al. and published in Pain in March of 2024.  That’s so hot it’s still on the damn burner! Lascurain-Aguirrebeña, Iona,b,*; Dominguez, Laurac; Villanueva-Ruiz, Ikerc,d; Ballesteros, Javiere,f,g; Rueda-Etxeberria, Mikele; Rueda, Jose-Ramónc; Casado-Zumeta, Xabatd; Araolaza-Arrieta, Maialend; Arbillaga-Etxarri, Aned; Tampin, Brigitteh,i,j. Effectiveness of neural mobilisation for the treatment of nerve-related cervicobrachial pain: a systematic review with subgroup meta-analysis. PAIN 165(3):p 537-549, March 2024. | DOI: 10.1097/j.pain.0000000000003071   Why They Did It Neural mobilisations (NM) have been advocated for the treatment of nerve-related cervicobrachial pain; however, it is unclear what types of patients with nerve-related cervicobrachial pain (if any) may benefit.  How They Did It Medline, Web of Science, Scopus, PeDro, Cinahl, and Cochrane databases were searched from inception until December 2022. Randomised controlled trials were included if they assessed the effectiveness of Neural mobilisations in nerve-related cervicobrachial pain, and outcome measures were pain intensity and/or disability.  Meta-analyses with subgroup analyses were performed.  Twenty-seven studies were included. What They Found For pain and disability reduction, Neural mobilisations was found to be more effective than no treatment, increased the effectiveness of standard physiotherapy as an adjuvant when compared with standard physiotherapy alone but was no more effective than cervical traction.  For disability reduction, Neural mobilisations was found to be more effective than exercise Wrap It Up In most comparisons, there were significant differences in the effectiveness of Neural mobilisations between the subgroups.  Neural mobilisations was consistently more effective than all alternative interventions (no treatment, traction, exercise, and standard physiotherapy alone) in 13 studies As I’ve heard my friend and esteemed colleauge, Dr. Brandon Steele say before, “If a patient has radiculopathy and there’s only one thing I can do for them, it’s nerve flossing.” And I agree.  Alright, that’s it. Keep on keepin’ on. Keep changing our profession from your corner of the world. The world needs evidence-based, patient-centered practitioners driving the bus. The profession needs us in the ACA and involved in leadership of state associations. So quit griping about the profession if you’re doing nothing to make it better. Get active, get involved, and make it happen. Let’s get to the message. Same as it is every week.  Store Remember the evidence-informed brochures and posters at chiropracticforward.com.   

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The Message I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment rather than chemical treatments like pills and shots. When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show us patients can get good to excellent results for headaches, neck pain, back pain, and joint pain to name just a few. It’s safe and cost-effective can decrease surgeries & disability and we do it through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal hassle to the patient. And, if the patient treats preventatively after initial recovery, we can usually keep it that way while raising the overall level of health! Key Point: At the end of the day, patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment that offers the least harm. When it comes to non-complicated musculoskeletal complaints…. That’s Chiropractic! Contact Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show and tell us your suggestions for future episodes.  Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on podcast platforms.  We know how this works by now. If you value something, you have to share it, interact with it, review it, talk about it from time to time, and actively hit a few buttons to support it here and there when asked. It really does make a big difference.  Connect We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. Website
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Kids’ Mental Status & Zero Calorie Drinks

CF 223: Kids’ Mental Status & Zero Calorie Drinks Today we’re going to talk about the children, how are they doing lately? And then we’ll talk about whether low or no calorie beverages have any real use for us.  But first, here’s that sweet sweet bumper music  

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OK, we are back and you have found the Chiropractic Forward Podcast where we are making evidence-based chiropractic fun, profitable, and accessible while we make you and your patients better all the way around.  We’re the fun kind of research. Not the stuffy, high-brow kind of research. We’re research talk over a couple of beers. I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.   If you haven’t yet I have a few things you should do. 

  • Go to Amazon and check our my book called The Remarkable Truth About Chiropractic: A Unique Journey Into The Research. It’s a great resource for patient education and for YOU. It saves you time in putting talks together or just staying current on research. It’s categorized into sections and written in a way that is easy to understand for you and patients. Just search for it on Amazon. That’s the Remarkable Truth About Chiropractic by Jeff Williams. 
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You have found yourself smack dab in the middle of Episode #223 Now if you missed last week’s episode, we talked about Forward Head Posture And Spinal Manipulative Therapy Effectiveness. Make sure you don’t miss that info. Keep up with the class. 

On the personal end of things…..

Let’s talk about marketing. I always share what I’m doing and how it’s working with you folks and while business is coming back, that’s just the natural flow. We expect to start getting busy again in March. I’m looking for marketing that moves the needle.  I’ve tried social media marketing campaigns that cost me in excess of $4500. For basically nothing. I might as well stuffed that money into my ears and lit it on fire and did a rain dance. It was useless.  Here’s something to know about me……I can be talked into just about anything.

I believe people and always look for the best in them. Or at least try to. So, yeah….I can either be talked into anything or, as is often the case, talk MYSELF into anything.  Here’s my life; I create all of our social media posts. I write my own blog every week. I record my own video and edit it every week for YouTube and Facebook. That’s in between 40+ patients a day and 20+ new patients per week and writing and recording a podcast, real estate, voice-over, and anything else in there including being a husband and a dad.  It’s time for some help and hopefully some effective help. 

I told you how I started with a new idea of lead magnets a few weeks ago. Not a lot happening there. As expected. I hoped…..but feared not much would come of it outside of an absence of my money. So far, it’s an absence of my money but I’m stubborn and not giving up just yet.  This lead magnet is for our testosterone hormone pellets. My thinking is that if it works for the pellets, then we will expand the concept and keep trucking with different products and services for the lead magnets. Still testing there and will update as needed.  I’m also starting with a new crew from England on social media marketing. I got the welcome packet today. My thinking is that my consultation payments for this medical integration are finished this month.

So that frees up some funds to put toward something else and there are not many things more important than marketing. So, I’m getting going with another group today to test them out and see how we can grow my stuff.  If it’s awesome, maybe I can make them a sponsor of the show and share them with you too. We’ll see.  A little tip from you Ol Uncle Jeffro, if you didn’t do it in January, do it now. Sit down with your key employee and go from month to month to plan out what you’re going to do for marketing.

What key events do you need to have a presence at, etc. Do you want to do a Mother’s Day promotion? What about a July 4th cookout at the office? That type of deal. When it’s planned, you don’t forget about it and it doesn’t sneak up on you.  Since I’m trying to delegate marketing more and more to my staff, I have the global marketing sheet but I also have started a weekly focus sheet.

So my marketing focus this week is to stress ‘no wait times for our NP, social media posts for the whole week, 2x/day, 1-2 videos for the week.  We’ll see, I think I have swimmers and not sinkers so we’ll see.  Continuing in the debacle of trying to find a front desk staffer, we have run into yet another snafu. This time we found a good one. Or so we thought. She worked with us for almost 2 full weeks. Then came St. Patty’s day. She ended up in a ditch running from the police and driving drunk at 2:00 am. She missed work the next day. Not because of a hangover but because she was in jail.  A little more research told us that she didn’t have custody of her kiddo because of 2 previous DWIs and this was her 3rd. So…..while you don’t want to be the one to compound someone’s suffering and misery, we had to cut ties. 

  1. If she lost custody of her kid because of drinking and still didn’t get the message, it’s going to be a long road
  2. If we’re missing work in the first 10 days because of jail, that’s just a bad omen of things to come
  3. If this is her 3rd DWI, she’s going to do jail time and we need an employee that is here and dependable. 
  4. If she miraculously doesn’t do jail time, she’ll be doing rehab, counseling, community services, court dates, and all that good stuff. And all of that equals time out of work. 

There are more reasons but that’s enough. We had to move on. I’ve always shied away from hiring friends because I just see that always going bad and it causing an awkward problem down the road. However, we started having one of our buddies come up to the office on a part-time basis to help us out on some overflow work and Holy guacamole….she’s insane good at the front desk stuff.  So….maybe we have a new front desk person after all. The saga continues and I’ll keep you updated. Stay tuned.  Alright to the research we go!

Item #1

This one is called “Five-Year Trends in US Children’s Health and Well-being, 2016-2020” by Lebrun-Harris et. al. (Lebrun-Harris LA 2022) and published in Jama Pediatrics on March 14, 2022. Holy fires of hell, it’s en Fuego!

Why They Did It

The authors say they aimed to examine recent trends in children’s health-related measures, including significant changes between 2019 and 2020 that might be attributed to the COVID-19 pandemic.

How They Did It

  • 174,551 children included in the study
  • Annual data were examined from the National Survey of Children’s Health (2016-2020), 
  • It was a population-based, nationally representative survey of randomly selected children. 

What They Found

  • Increased Anxiety
  • Increased depression
  • Decreases in daily physical activity
  • Decreases in parent or caregiver mental health
  • Decreases in coping with parenting demands

From 2019-2020 – the pandemic

  1. Increases in behavior or conduct problems
  2. Child care disruptions affecting parental employment
  3. Decreases in preventive healthcare visits
  4. increases in unmet health care needs, and 
  5. increases in the proportion of young children whose parents quit, declined, or changed jobs because of childcare problems.

Wrap It Up

Study findings point to several areas of concern that can inform future research, clinical care, policy decision-making, and programmatic investments to improve the health and well-being of children and their families. People have gone crazy. They were politically crazy and hating on each other prior to the pandemic. So let’s be honest here, shall we? But the pandemic deepened it and while technology is amazing and useful, social media has, in my opinion, destroyed the fabric of our society. Of love and understanding. Of mutual respect.  It’s allowed people to mouth off and insult each other from a distance saying things and in behaving in a manner that they would never behave like if the person they’re disrespecting were standing directly in front of them.  Anyway, kids are resilient but they’ve been affected too. Our world has gotten more stressful and it’s showing. 

Item #2

This second one is called, “Association of Low- and No-Calorie Sweetened Beverages as a Replacement for Sugar-Sweetened Beverages With Body Weight and Cardiometabolic Risk: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis” by McGlynn et. al. and published in JAMA Network Open on March 14, 2022. Schiza – Steamy

Why They Did It

There are concerns that low- and no-calorie sweetened beverages do not have established benefits, with major dietary guidelines recommending the use of water and not low- and no-calorie sweetened beverages to replace sugar-sweetened beverages. Whether low- and no-calorie sweetened beverages as a substitute can yield similar improvements in cardiometabolic risk factors vs water in their intended substitution for sugar-sweetened drinks is unclear. To assess the association of low- and no-calorie sweetened beverages with body weight and cardiometabolic risk factors in adults with and without diabetes.

How They Did It

  • Data were extracted and risk of bias was assessed by 2 independent reviewers
  • The primary outcome was body weight. Secondary outcomes were other measures of adiposity, glycemic control, blood lipids, blood pressure, measures of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, and uric acid.
  • A total of 17 RCTs with 24 trial comparisons were included, involving 1733 adults

What They Found

I’m not going to tell you. Because it gets very technical and in the weeds as they say. You’ll start wandering off into the ether and thinking about things like….is there another word for Thesaurus? And if you were to choke a Smurf…..what color would they turn?

Wrap It Up

This systematic review and meta-analysis found that using low- and no-calorie sweetened beverages as an intended substitute for sugar-sweetened beverages was associated with small improvements in body weight and cardiometabolic risk factors without evidence of harm and had a similar direction of benefit as water substitution.  The evidence supports the use of low- and no-calorie sweetened beverages as an alternative replacement strategy over the moderate term in adults with overweight or obesity who are at risk for or have diabetes.

This is amazing because I’ve been off of sodas for a decade but recently discovered a new love for Coke Zero. My wife has been all over me about drinking them and now I can show her research that says maybe they’re not as bad as she thinks.  And at the end of the day, I take some satisfaction in being right. : ) Alright, that’s it. Keep on keepin’ on. Keep changing our profession from your corner of the world. The world needs evidence-based, patient-centered practitioners driving the bus. The profession needs us in the ACA and involved in the leadership of state associations. So quit griping about the profession if you’re doing nothing to make it better. Get active, get involved, and make it happen. Let’s get to the message. Same as it is every week. 

Store Remember the evidence-informed brochures and posters at chiropracticforward.com.     

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment rather than chemical treatments like pills and shots. When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show us patients can get good to excellent results for headaches, neck pain, back pain, and joint pain to name just a few. It’s safe and cost-effective can decrease surgeries & disability and we do it through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal hassle to the patient. And, if the patient treats preventatively after initial recovery, we can usually keep it that way while raising the overall level of health!

Key Point:

At the end of the day, patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment that offers the least harm. When it comes to non-complicated musculoskeletal complaints…. That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show and tell us your suggestions for future episodes.  Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on podcast platforms.  We know how this works by now. If you value something, you have to share it, interact with it, review it, talk about it from time to time, and actively hit a few buttons to support it here and there when asked. It really does make a big difference. 

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward.

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w/ Dr. Christine Goertz – Chiropractic Research, What Does The Science Say, And Where Are We Going?

Today, we have one of the giants of chiropractic research as our guest. I will go further into her background in a moment but we have Dr. Christine Goertz joining us today and, if you do not know who she is, it is time to listen up. Don’t you go anywhere because this is going to be an excellent episode full of great information. 

But first, here’s that “oh how sweet it is” bumper music

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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have bounced your way into Episode #68 and we are so glad you did. 

Introduction

We’re here to advocate for chiropractic while we also make your life easier. 

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Part of that is having the right patient education tools in your office. Tools that educate based on solid, researched information. We offer you that. It’s done for you. We are taking pre-orders right now for our brand new, evidence-based office brochures available at chiropracticforward.com. Just click the STORE link at the top right of the home page and you’ll be off and running. Just shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com if something is out of sorts or isn’t working correctly. 

If you’re like me, you get tired of answering the same old questions. Well, these brochures make great ways of educating while saving yourself time and breath. They’re also great for putting in take-home folders. 

Go check them out at chiropracticforward.com under the store link. While you’re there, sign up for the newsletter won’t you? We won’t spam you. Just one email per week to remind you when the new episode comes out. That’s it. 

Guest Introduction

Christine Goertz, D.C., Ph.D., is the Chief Operating Officer of the Spine Institute for Quality. She is also an Adjunct Associate at the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, Duke University Medical Center and Adjunct Professor in the Department of Epidemiology, College of Public Health at the University of Iowa. Prior to joining Spine IQ, she was Vice Chancellor of Research and Health Policy at Palmer College of Chiropractic for eleven years. 

Dr. Goertz received her Doctor of Chiropractic (D.C.) degree from Northwestern Health Sciences University in 1991 and her Ph.D. in Health Services Research, Policy and Administration from the School of Public Health at the University of Minnesota in 1999. Her 25-year research career has focused on working with multi-disciplinary teams to design and implement clinical and health services research studies designed to increase knowledge regarding the effectiveness and cost of complementary and integrative healthcare delivery.

She has extensive experience in the administration of Federal grants, both as a PI and as a program official at the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Dr. Goertz has received nearly $32M in federal funding as either principal investigator or co-principal investigator, primarily from NIH and the Department of Defense, and has authored or co-authored more than 100 peer-reviewed papers. Her primary area of focus is the investigation of patient-centered, non-pharmacological treatments for spine-related disorders. Dr. Goertz is a former member of the NIH/NCCIH National Advisory Council and currently serves on the Board of Governors for the Patient Centered Outcomes Research Institute (PCORI), where she has assumed numerous leadership roles. In September 2018 Dr. Goertz was appointed to a 3-year term as Vice Chair of the PCORI Board by the Comptroller General of the United States. 

Welcome to the show Dr. Goertz. I can’t tell you how excited I am to have on our podcast. 

Can I first ask you what was the impetus for your wanting to get into the research end of the profession? How do you come to the decision to dive into research full-time vs. treating patients day-to-day like so many of us do?

I noticed on your CV that you are currently an adjunct professor with the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery at Duke University Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina and also an Adjunct Professor in the Department of Epidemiology, College of Public Health, University of Iowa. All the while, you are working with The Pine Institue for Quality (AKA Spine IQ). Can you tell us what a regular day looks like for you?

Whether you know it or not, you have been a game-changer for this profession. You have, likely unknowingly, played a big part in some of our podcast episodes. I want to start with a paper we covered. I called it The Veterans Paper and it was HUGE. Though I call it the Veterans Paper, you say it was done as part of the Department of Defense. I wonder….did you notice anything BIG after it was published in JAMA? Was it, in your opinion, any more impactful than your other papers?

Here’s what happened as soon as that paper came out from my perspective; almost immediately, we began getting interest from our local VA and, once we completed credentialing, we started seeing referrals. Before that paper…..nothing. No interest. I don’t know if you’re ready to take all of the credit for that but I’m going to give it to your regardless. On behalf of the entire evidence-informed chiropractic profession, thank you for that. 

In emails we have exchanged leading up to our time together today, you mentioned you have a large pragmatic trial funded by the NIH in the VA. Can you tell us anything about that?

In your work called “Insurer Coverage of Nonpharmacological Treatments for Low Back Pain – Time for a Change” published in JAMA October 2015, you say there are no policies emphasizing nonpharma treatment at the forefront of the patient experience, no meaningful levels of coverage for care professionals focussing on nonpharma therapy, and no policies providing financial incentives in favor of nonpharma. I have seen your work make huge differences but have to admit, I’m still seeing reimbursements for chiropractors being a challenge. We have folks out here struggling in practice in spite of everything in our favor. Have you experienced any changes after this came out in JAMA? Can we expect these sentiments you describe to gather steam in the next year or so?

In another piece of yours called “What does research reveal about chiropractic costs?” you say something I want to commend you on. You say, “without a doubt, the most common issues raised by those outside the profession relate to the quality and consistency of chiropractic care delivery.” I think we can all agree that standardization is likely the biggest hurdle our profession faces in regard to integration. Do you believe chiropractic residency training would better prepare chiropractic providers to offer high quality care within medical facilities?

I’m currently over 2/3 of the way through the Diplomate for the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists. I see the value every day but, in your opinion, should Board Certification become the norm for chiropractic providers rather than the exception?

In that same paper, when talking about costs for chiropractic care you point out that we are likely equal or less in cost. You say, “In particular, it appears that patients who visit a chiropractor are less likely to undergo hospitalization, resulting in lower global healthcare costs than those who receive medical care only.” Do you feel that the medical field is coming to the point they are seeing our potential in improvement as well as our cost-effectiveness on more of a widespread scale or are there just little pockets here and there? Is the medical field starting to catch on but the insurance companies are still not allowing the change? What are you seeing on your end of things?

You recently were part of a paper that was published just this year, 2019, called, “Effect of chiropractic manipulative therapy on reaction time in special operations forces military personnel: a randomized controlled trial.” I really have to talk to you researchers about trying to shorten the names of these papers. 

Anyway, you all concluded on that one that one session of chiropractic manipulative therapy had immediate effect of reducing the time required for asymptomatic special operations forces to complete a complex whole-body motor response task. Tell me….what are we looking at here? Where is this line of research leading future research?

I personally love it and think it has extremely high value so when I ask you this question, please don’t take it as a negative. Are you responsible for instigating the Palmer-Gallup Poll? What were the main goals for starting it and has it lived up to the original thought process behind its beginning? 

I thought this was an interesting question. A listener and member of our private group on Facebook, Dr. Trent Peng, suggested I ask you which chiropractic adjustment techniques are sufficiently evidence-based in the scientific literature?

In an article by Lisa Rappaport, called “Adding chiropractic to back pain care may reduce disability,” she interviewed you for the article. She had a quote in the article from you that said, “Spinal manipulation (often referred to as chiropractic adjustment) may help heal tissues in your body that form as a result of injury, decreasing pain and improving your body’s ability to move correctly.” 

The other was, “It is also possible that manipulation impacts the way that your body perceives pain through either the brain or the spinal cord and/or decreases pain from muscle strain, inflammation and/or spasm in the muscles next to your spine.” 

The first comment I have on this is that I love the second quote because there is more and more information coming out about what part the central nervous system plays in regard to pain. Pain sensitization, movement dysfunction, joint proprioception and thing of that nature. I thought that quote brought some of that into consideration without getting too complicated for a normal reader. So, kudos on that!

I remember thinking to myself that there are a lot of “may help” and “it is possible” kind of language. I understand that researchers shouldn’t formulate opinions or conclusions in definite terms or absolutes and I completely understand that, but my question to this point is do you ever see a time that all chiropractors can say with a high degree of confidence exactly what happens and exactly why it helps people heal or feel better?

I was sent a paper I believe you have in progress called “Assessment of chiropractic care on strength, balance, and endurance in active-duty US military personnel with low back pain: a protocol for a randomized controlled trial. In the Background section, you all say, Chiropractic care may facilitate the strengthening of trunk muscles, the alteration of sensory and motor signaling, and a reduction in pain sensitivity, which may contribute to improving strength, balance, and endurance for individuals with low back pain.”

As you probably know, here in Texas, we are in a perpetual battle against the Texas Medical Association. Recently, they won a decision that was upheld on appeal to remove the ‘neuro’ snippet from our scope description of treatment the neuromusculoskeletal system. Essentially, they say we only treat the musculoskeletal system. With the research you have done and are currently involved in, what do you say to this?

What has been your favorite project or finding you have been a part of so far?

What has been your favorite paper, project, or finding that a colleague has written but you were not a part of?

What conclusion have you had to draw at the end of a paper that surprised you the most?

How do you see quality research translating into a greater level of inter-professional collaboration and how do you see the future of chiropractic unfolding in terms of integration into the healthcare system?

A tie-in question here, where do you see the profession in 10 years?

I know that low back is one of the biggest reasons for disability worldwide, if not the biggest. It deserves the attention it has received. We have research on low back pain now to the point that even traditional chiropractic detractors can’t really argue all that much with us on low back pain. But we still have a fight on our hands when it comes to cervical manipulation. My question is why do you think we don’t see more research for cervical manipulation and do you see the spotlight ever changing and the research beginning to focus on cervical manipulation and the benefits for neck pain and headache/migraine?

In the private Chiropractic Forward Facebook Group, we are curious….what are you up to right now? What are you working on? 

Apart from what you are working on right now, what are your goals in regard to research in the next 10 years?

Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to join us. I hope our listeners got as much use out of our talk as I did. I truly believe that our profession is where it is and going the direction it’s going in large part because of you an d your efforts. 

And I thank you so much. 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

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