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w/ Dr. Bobby Maybee – (Part Two) Everything Evidence-Based Chiropractic, Insight, Instruction, & Inspiration

CF 162: w/ Dr. Bobby Maybee – Everything Evidence-Based Chiropractic, Insight, Instruction, & Inspiration (Part Two)

Today we’re going to be joined by Dr. Bobby Maybee for Part Two of our conversation. Dr. Maybee is the leader and originator of the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance and co-founder of the Chiropractic Success Academy. Full of insight, instruction, and inspiration. Stick around.

But first, here’s that sweet sweet bumper music

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We’re the fun kind of research. Not the stuffy, high-brow kind of research. We’re research talk over a couple of beers.

I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

If you haven’t yet I have a few things you should do. 

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You have found yourself smack dab in the middle of Episode #162

Now if you missed last week’s episode , we talked about lumbar spinal fusion surgery. This was new, current, and very much in favor of conservative, non-pharmacological, nonsurgical care.. Keep up with the class. 

On the personal end of things…..

I have the second shot of the two vaccines coming up in two days. I had absolutely zero reaction to the first one. I keep hearing that the second is worse than the first. However, several of my friends that had a miserable first shot experience had a much more pleasant second shot experience. 

So, here’s to an easy second shot. If you’re not getting yours because you want to see if everyone else grows a forehead horn first, that’s reasonable. I don’t blame you. I’m a lone wolf in a sense. My business does not run without my presence. Therefore, I need to be here. I need to be healthy. So, the vaccine makes sense to me. 

I covered a book called Peak Performance for you in the last episode or two on relaxation and visualization. Further back, I talked about a book called Quit Like A Millionaire I would absolutely recommend. Wow, what a great book. I’ve told you about Back In Control by David Hanscum MD about chronic pain and the biopsychosocial side of it. That’s a book I recommend all of my chronic patients. Check it out. 

This episode, I’ll tell you about one I’m going down the path on by Tom Wheelwright called ‘Tax-Free Wealth: How to Build Massive Wealth by Permanently Lowering Your Taxes 

https://www.amazon.com/Tax-Free-Wealth-Permanently-Lowering-Advisors/dp/1937832058

It’s in the Rich Dad Poor Dad netword o fproducts and I can’t say enough about it. If you’re like me, you’re sending upwards of $100k to the IRS every year regardless of how much you try to not do just that. What if we could spend that money on building our business or businesses rather than sending it to Washington where we have a bunch of corrupt politicians that have no idea what compromise even means anymore?

Politicians that go into office middle to upper class but come out multi-millionaires. Yeah, I’m more interested in figuring out how to keep it at home and working for me instead of letting those knuckelheads decide what to do with my money. That’s a big hell no. 

That’s what this book is about. Tom will also tell you about his ‘Wealthability’ program that costs a hell of a lot of money. My wife and I are doing it. We just started. You know I’m always honest with you all and I’ll tell you how it goes. For the most part though, you get all the info you need inside his book. I’m just lazy and need someone to do it for me so that’s why I went with the program. 

Actually, I’m not lazy. I think listeners here know that I’m not lazy. I just have too many irons in the fire to figure it all out myself. That’s not where my talent lies. So, people like me have to pay people like them to give me their talent and expertise and it typically comes at a price. And it does. 

I’ll keep you updated. 

Alright, let’s get to the meat and taters here. We have Part Two coming up with THE Dr. Bobby Maybee of the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance. First thing’s first, if for some reason you missed Part One last week, stop..collaborate and listen….Sorry, anyone from the 80s and 90s can’t say the word STOP without adding those words to the end…..Anyway. Stop and go listen to Part One with Dr. Maybee and then come back for Part Two

Just as a refresher from last week, I want to run through some key aspects of Dr. Maybee once more. 

Dr. Maybee initially began the Forward-Thinking Chiropractic Alliance (FTCA) in 2014 as an attempt to change the landscape and conversation of the chiropractic profession of social media.   

Since then the FTCA has gone on to create evidence-based content in a grass roots nature.  This content is typically for the internet, and in an educational format through continuing education courses, and is staunchly evidence based.  

Dr. Maybee hosts “Forward, The Podcast of the Forward-Thinking Chiropractic Alliance.”  As well, he was just elected Chair of the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners Peer Review Committee, and is a member and supporter of the American Chiropractic Association.  

Dr. Maybee is a 2004 graduate of Western States Chiropractic College.  In his free time, he co manages a household of 5 children, 2 dogs Jett and Abbie, and a cat named Goober.

And the best reason we can ever have to thank someone for something, Dr. Maybee is a veteran of the US Air Force which no doubt lends itself to him being such a good and effective leader. 

Alright, let’s hop into Part Two and pick it up where we left off last week. 

  • What is your vision for the FTCA and what does the group to to move closer and closer to accomplishing them?
  • I was at the Forward 19 event in St Louis and really enjoyed it. Tell us about what goes into creating something like that? How do you pull it off?
  • Recently, I have been on a rant. I see vitalists say kooky stuff and I’m physically and mentally unable to ignore it. I have a recent episode on a guy that wants to teach other chiropractors how to treat 9 new patients and 99 established patients within three hours. Then I had an episode on the shake up of the WFC Research committee. As I mentioned in the episode, you were there in Berlin when it all started going sideways. Can you walk us through it all as far as you know it to be?
  • I think I’ve seen you vacillate on the topic of unity or not. Where do you stand on the whole deal? Is it possible the two sides can continue to live together? Or do you see groups like the Primary Spine Practitioner start to gain steam?
  • Tell us about the CSA that you and Dr. Kevin Christie have put together.

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment rather than chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show us patients can get good to excellent results for headaches, neck pain, back pain, and joint pain to name just a few.

It’s safe and cost-effective can decrease surgeries & disability and we do it through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal hassle to the patient.

And, if the patient treats preventativly after initial recovery, we can usually keep it that way while raising the overall level of health!

Key Point:

At the end of the day, patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment that offers the least harm. When it comes to non-complicated musculoskeletal complaints….

That’s Chiropractic!

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We know how this works by now. If you value something, you have to share it, interact with it, review it, talk about it from time to time, and actively hit a few buttons to support it here and there when asked. It really does make a big difference. 

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w/ Dr. Bobby Maybee – Everything Evidence-Based Chiropractic, Insight, Instruction, & Inspiration (Part One)

CF 161: w/ Dr. Bobby Maybee – Everything Evidence-Based Chiropractic, Insight, Instruction, & Inspiration (Part One)

Today we’re going to be joined by Dr. Bobby Maybee who is involved in so many things chiropractic but most notably he’s the leader of the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance and co-founder of the Chiropractic Success Academy. This is going to be an excellent episode folks. Full of insight, instruction, and inspiration.  But first, here’s that sweet sweet bumper music.

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OK, we are back and you have found the Chiropractic Forward Podcast where we are making evidence-based chiropractic fun, profitable, and accessible while we make you and your patients better all the way around.  We’re the fun kind of research. Not the stuffy, high-brow kind of research. We’re research talk over a couple of beers. I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.   If you haven’t yet I have a few things you should do. 

  • Like our Facebook page, 
  • Join our private Facebook group and interact, and then 
  • go review our podcast on iTunes and other podcast platforms. 
  • We also have an evidence-based brochure and poster store at chiropracticforward.com
  • While you’re there, join our weekly email newsletter. 

You have found yourself smack dab in the middle of Episode #161 Now if you missed last week’s episode , we talked about lumbar spinal fusion surgery. This was new, current, and very much in favor of conservative, non-pharmacological, nonsurgical care.. Keep up with the class.  On the personal end of things….. I’d like to hear how some of you are busier than normal or how some of you have only dropped off a bit during COVID. I wrapped up my stats from 2020 and it was a bit of a blood bath around my joint if I’m being honest and I’m always honest with you all. That’s they only way we move forward. Honesty.  So, let’s cover a few of the key stats. By the way, if you’re not keeping good stats and measuring all of your office metrics, I can’t tell you what a mistake it is that you’re making. My office turned around when I started accurately tracking my metrics. How can you know where you’re going or measure success in a quantifiable way if you’re not measuring it? As you’ll find out more and more in the coming months, I’m very big on keeping stats because it turned my office around. I know the value. Anyway, let’s get to some of my take-aways from my 2020 stats. 

  • One of the big kickers for me is that my new patients were down 36.1% from 2019. Yeah, that hurt like hell, folks. That’s in spite of picking up in our marketing efforts, posting and boosting about our cleaning and disinfecting efforts, and growing our social media following. Our area was hit hard with COVID. On the New York Times site, Amarillo, TX at different times and even recently has been #13 nationwide in areas hit the hardest. At one time, we were #2 on their list of the areas with the most new cases. People just did not feel comfortable going anywhere around here at different times during the year. Some times were more comfortable than others of course but overall….uncomfortable.
  • As a result of the new patient issue, my overall visit numbers suffered and were down 33.8%. So, we saw 33.8% less visits over the course of the year in 2020. When you consider the value of one visit in my office, well…..let’s just say that adds up to a considerable amount of income lost.
  • You’ll start to see a theme here when I tell you that my total services billed were down 36.6% and net services when we remove our write-offs sat at about 40% down. Ugh, right? But, we worked hard on our billing, of course. When you have extra time, you turn to billing and collections efforts. As a result, our total collections were only down 25.4%. Funny how that happens. 
  • We could go through a whole bunch of different metrics but I have an amazing guest today we need to get to. The most important stat is the final overall total. When we include all of the things that make us money like chiropractic, rehab, laser, decompression, acupuncture, massage, and on and on….when we combine it all, our total collections across the board were down 25.4% in 2020. While that’s a tough pill, I’m not alone. Many of you have had the same difficulties. Many of you have had it worse. And I’m sorry. It’s been difficult for us all. But the good news is that I think it’s lightening up and if improvement and progress makes us all feel good, it won’t take much to improve and show progress over 2020. Will it? I think not so here’s to all good things in 2021. Let’s get all of our practices back on track and help some folks get out of pain and avoid surgery. 

Now, without further adieu, let’s get to our guest today.  Today we are joined by the always interesting and talented Dr. Bobby Maybee hailing from the Pacific Northwest. Portland, Oregon to be exact. Dr. Maybee initially began the Forward-Thinking Chiropractic Alliance (FTCA) in 2014 as an attempt to change the landscape and conversation of the chiropractic profession of social media.   

Since then the FTCA has gone on to create evidence-based content in a grass roots nature.  This content is typically for the internet, and in an educational format through continuing education courses, and is staunchly evidence based.   Dr. Maybee hosts “Forward, The Podcast of the Forward-Thinking Chiropractic Alliance.”  As well, he was just elected Chair of the Oregon Board of Chiropractic Examiners Peer Review Committee, and is a member and supporter of the American Chiropractic Association.  

Dr. Maybee is a 2004 graduate of Western States Chiropractic College.  In his free time, he co manages a household of 5 children, 2 dogs Jett and Abbie, and a cat named Goober. And the best reason we can ever have to thank someone for something, Dr. Maybee is a veteran of the US Air Force which no doubt lends itself to him being such a good and effective leader. 

Welcome to the show Bobby, tell me how Portland is this morning.

How’s the weather? 

Introduction

  • Tell me your chiropractic story. Why chiropractic for you?
  • Tell me what got you to the place where you are the expert in the clinic that you are. What experiences or certifications built that person?
  • Tell me about your practice in Portland
  • With as many kiddos as you have and as many things as you’re involved in, what does a typical week look like for you.
  • How did the FTCA get started?
  • I see here and there online that some vitalists have really started to make the term ‘evidence-based’ a keyword, a trigger word, or a point of conterntion. Have you noticed that as well and how do you think a healthcare profession come to mock evidence and research?
  • What is your vision for the FTCA and what does the group to to move closer and closer to accomplishing them?
  • I was at the Forward 19 event in St Louis and really enjoyed it. Tell us about what goes into creating something like that? How do you pull it off?
  • Recently, I have been on a rant. I see vitalists say kooky stuff and I’m physically and mentally unable to ignore it. I have a recent episode on a guy that wants to teach other chiropractors how to treat 9 new patients and 99 established patients within three hours. Then I had an episode on the shake up of the WFC Research committee. As I mentioned in the episode, you were there in Berlin when it all started going sideways. Can you walk us through it all as far as you know it to be?
  • I think I’ve seen you vacillate on the topic of unity or not. Where do you stand on the whole deal? Is it possible the two sides can continue to live together? Or do you see groups like the Primary Spine Practitioner start to gain steam?
  • Tell us about the CSA that you and Dr. Kevin Christie have put together.

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Alright, that’s it. Y’all be safe. Keep changing our profession from your little corner of the world. Keep taking care of yourselves and everyone around you. Tough times are upon us but, the sun will shine again. Trust it, believe it, count on it. Let’s get to the message. Same as it is every week.  Store Remember the evidence-informed brochures and posters at chiropracticforward.com.     

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Integrating Chiropractors

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment rather than chemical treatments like pills and shots. When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show us patients can get good to excellent results for headaches, neck pain, back pain, and joint pain to name just a few. It’s safe and cost-effective can decrease surgeries & disability and we do it through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal hassle to the patient. And, if the patient treats preventativly after initial recovery, we can usually keep it that way while raising the overall level of health!

Key Point: At the end of the day, patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment that offers the least harm. When it comes to non-complicated musculoskeletal complaints…. That’s Chiropractic!

Contact Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show and tell us your suggestions for future episodes.  Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on podcast platforms.  We know how this works by now. If you value something, you have to share it, interact with it, review it, talk about it from time to time, and actively hit a few buttons to support it here and there when asked. It really does make a big difference. 

Connect We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward. Website http://www.chiropracticforward.com

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The Shake-Up With WFC’s Research Committee

CF 154: The Shake-Up With WFC’s Research Committee Today we’re going to talk about the research committee shake-up at the WFC. I’ve wondered for months now what exactly happened with shake-up and it hasn’t been easy to figure it out either. Who is to blame and what companies are to blame as well? We’ll get knee deep into it in this episode.  But first, here’s that sweet sweet bumper music

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OK, we are back and you have found the Chiropractic Forward Podcast where we are making evidence-based chiropractic fun, profitable, and accessible while we make you and your patients better all the way around.  We’re the fun kind of research. Not the stuffy, high-brow kind of research. We’re research talk over a couple of beers. I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.   If you haven’t yet I have a few things you should do. 

  • Like our Facebook page, 
  • Join our private Facebook group and interact, and then 
  • go review our podcast on iTunes and other podcast platforms. 
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  • While you’re there, join our weekly email newsletter. No spam, just a reminder when the newest episodes go live. Nothing special so don’t worry about signing up. Just one a week friends. Check your JUNK folder!!

Do it do it do it.  You have found yourself smack dab in the middle of Episode #154 Now if you missed last week’s episode , we talked about how some chiropractors could be better and being careful which guru you’re going to place your faith in. Some are just absolute loons and only driven by profit, not results and not the patient.

The saying is, when you’re focused on the outcomes, you’ll never have to worry about the income. Make sure you don’t miss that info. Keep up with the class.  While we’re on the topic of being smart, did you know that you can use our website as a resource? Quick and easy, you can go to chiropracticforward.com, click on Episodes, and use the search function

On the personal end of things…..

Chugging along. Making friends and influencing people. That’s how we do it here. Actually, that’s not true. I’m sure I got the vitalists all fired up last week and probably will this week as well. I’ll probably get some companies fired up too.  We’ll see. It doesn’t have a thing to do with anything chiropractic but I’ve mentioned a time or two here that I’m branching out and, as a retirement plan, I’m working on a little side gig in the voice over / voice artist industry. This stuff is fascinating y’all. It really is. 

So I went through the steps you’re supposed to go through in getting yourself all set up and now, here I am, I got a commercial demo done. If you’re just feeling goofy and bored, go to jeffwilliamsvoice.com and there’s a demo there you can listen to. Turns out I have the John Deere, Ford truck, eat this burger type of voice and I’m totally OK with that.  Anyway, after you get a demo, you start submitting to talent agencies around the world. Well, hell….I don’t have all day to spend on doing this stuff so I can only get a few per day and there are tons of them.

But, in just the first round or so of submissions, I already got signed up with a talent agent out in San Francisco and Los Angeles as well as interest from a talent agency in Barcelona Spain and potentially a marketing firm down in Dallas/Ft. Worth. . So….how damn cool is that? Maybe, one of these days, my side gig takes over my day job. I’m not holding my breath though. But, seriously, my buddy has done it for about 7 years and he’s making six figures. Can you imagine making a good 6 figure salary but no employees, no overhead, you can make that money in your basement in your underwear (sorry for the visual there), and you can do it from anywhere in the world as long as you have an internet connection?

Well, it’s a cool idea and a lot of folks get to do it that way. Who knows? It’s a lot of luck and all that stuff but I’ve never been one that was afraid to take chances or afraid to fall on my face.  Either way, it’s exciting and isn’t that what it’s about? Keeping life interesting and exciting? That reminds me, if you need a voice over for a youtube video, your podcast intro, or any commercial you’re doing, remember ol Uncle Jeffro here. I got you covered!

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Now, let’s get to spilling the tea shall we? I have to start by saying, I don’t love talking about this stuff. I don’t at all. It makes me uncomfortable. Mostly because some of my friends won’t like it. I work with a lot of chiropractors around the nation in different capacities and to be honest, while we work FOR the chiropractic profession, we don’t see eye to eye with each other on WHAT chiropractic is.  Still, they’re my friends. So what do I do? Do I just say nothing about things I know they won’t agree with? Or do I talk about it and give my view point on them?

Well, I have a podcast so I guess I talk about it. I could stay out of the messiness of our profession and avoid tough subjects all together I guess. But who ever changed anything by taking that sort of stance? That’s not really any kind of stance at all is it? You change things by standing up, somewhere, and supporting your convictions. So that’s where i’m at. I don’t like. I’m uncomfortable with it, honestly. But the show must go on.  Let’s start with what happened. Dr. Greg Kawchuk was the head of the World Federation of Chiropractic. I’m a fan of Dr. Kawchuk. so when I saw on Facebook or Twitter or somewhere that he resigned his post as head of the WFC research committee, it had me a bit miffed. Not only that but a lot of HUGE chiropractors on the committee left with him. Researchers on the level of Jan Hartvigsen for example. 

To be specific, those that resigned are

  • Greg Kawchuk DC PhD Canada – Chair
  • Simon French, PhD, MPH, BAppSc(Chiro) Australia
  • Iben Axén DC PhD Sweden
  • Jan Hartvigsen DC PhD Denmark
  • Martin Descarreaux DC, PhD Canada
  • Carolina Kolberg DC PhD Brazil

Every single one of these researchers has been in the episodes we have released. They are big time for our profession. The vitalists, unfortunately, have labeled them subluxation deniers. I label them scientists but….whatever.  I say tomato, they say dumb stuff. Their statement of resignation went like this, “Effective immediately, we (Greg Kawchuk (Chair), Iben Axen’, Martin Descarreaux, Simon French, Jan Hartvigsen, and Caroline Kolberg) resign from the World Federation of Chiropractic (WFC) Research Committee.

We no longer feel it is possible to function as independent academics in our roles on the committee. We urge the WFC to continue to promote the EPIC principles (Evidence-based, People-centered, Interprofessional and Collaborative), and to protect its core values from potential conflicts and outside influence. We wish the best for the WFC and our colleagues who serve on its Research Committee.” Now, it wasn’t all bad because they put Dr. Christine Goertz into the post as the head of the WFC committee and if you’re a listener here at the Chiropractic Forward evidence-based chiropractic podcast…..well then you know what a fan of Dr. Goertz we are. She’s a chiropractic treasure. 

But, when I first heard the news, as you can imagine, and as you probably felt when you heard, it was a bit concerning for our profession to lose so many high profile, top-level researchers at once. What’s that going to mean for our profession and why did this happen in the first place? I started paying attention. I started looking for information. What the heck happened? But nothing. Not only nothing on the story but nobody was talking about it either. Like….it was just another event that happened on just another day. No big deal. When, in reality, at least to research consumers such as myself, it was a huge deal! Why did this happen and what the hell is the story?

Well, I’m going to give away the ending here before we really dive in, I’m not 100% sure but at least now I have an idea. A generaly idea.  When I decided I was going to do this episode, I put it in our private Facebook group. We only have around 450 members approximately. Again, in case you don’t know, we have a public Chiropractic Forward page. That’s just to get the word out about the podcast and market the podcast.  Then we also have a Chiropractic Forward private group where we can share research papers, we can discuss amongst ourselves, and all that good stuff and we can do it privately. I encourage you all to join the private group.

Not if you’re a vitalist. That’s not the group for you. But if you’re evidence-based and patient-centered, then you’re a good fit.  Anyway, I posted in there that I wanted to do this episode and if anyone had the back story, please send me a private message about it. That I wanted to get it figured out and tell our audience. 

There was a lot of interest in the episode but nobody knew the story about what happened. I asked elsewhere. Nobody knew but everyone wanted to know. I even asked Dr. Kawchuk himself and he was tied up in a research project. Dangit.  Unfortunately, the research community’s lack of open communication on this matter has left this up to others to define the narrative. For example, when Googling up this story, I got an article by Matthew McCoy. The ever-so-nutsy vitalist out in Georgia. The townhall crier and huckster of woo. Yes, he’s one of them setting the narrative. 

Also, one of the top hits was by our global hater for the ages, Edzard Ernst. What a toolbag. Yes, our global hater sets the narrative on what is happening in the chiropractic world. But nothing from the evidence-based, patient-centered side of the profession. What in the hell is going on here, people? Why in the hell are you all sitting on your hands? Why are you not talking about this, writing about this, yelling about this, or at least pushing back on this? Are we spineless? No pun intended by the way. 

It’s just astonishing to me that so little is written about it and that the only information you can find on it is created by flat-earthers or by the apex of chiropractic haters.  Finally, one of my colleagues here in the U.S. contacted me through text and we set up a phone call. They gave me the story as well as they understood it and that’s what I’m going to give you. Thank you to this colleague for shedding as much light on this story as you could. I really do appreciate it and I’m pretty sure the rest of our audience does as well. 

If we are being fair, a small part of it appears to be Dr. Kawchuk’s fault, a very large part of it seems to fall on the vitalist, subluxation or nothing, rah rah rah crowd, and an even bigger aspect of the whole enchilada I believe can be directly pointed at the WFC’s corporate sponsors that backed the vitalist, subluxation is the only way crowd. I personally blame the companies. Without them bullying the WFC with sponsorship dollars, this wouldn’t have happened regardless of the rest of the dominoes that fell. 

Let’s back up a bit.  It sounds like it all begin in Berlin in 2019. Those of us paying attention know that it goes back much further than that though don’t we? Oh yeah, with the evidence-based, patient-centered model becoming more and more prevalent and moving the vitalists more and more to the fringe of the world, the louder the minority has become.  Still, it appears, Berlin 2019 at the WFC conference was the final straw. Dr. Greg Kawchuk, who again, I’m a fan of, was one of the speakers at the event. His presentation was not vitalist/subluxation friendly.

Word on the street is that his speech was met with cheers but was also met with water bottles being thrown up on the stage and antics like that. Because, you know….our profession is divided in two in case you’ve been hiding in a cave. So, cheers makes sense. I don’t know what makes the other side think it’s OK to throw stuff on the stage but who knows? Maybe that’s just a dumb little European quirk.  I had the opportunity to see almost the exact same speech at the Forward ’19 event in St. Louis a little over a year ago. I absolutely loved it. And, no….it was not subluxation friendly.  Here was the difference in the speech I saw in St. Louis and the one that was given in Berlin.

Dr. Kawchuk, it is suggested, made a quip during his speech that taking a child to a vitalistic chiropractor is similar to taking a child to a Catholic priest.  There are no recordings in existence of this version of the speech but I believe the basic gist of the comment was that if you’re willing to take your kid to a vitalist for 60+ visits, then you should leave your kids with a Catholic priest.  OK, let’s address this because this one comment is what the ICA hung their hat on so I think it’s a pivotal thing. I think it’s also why this part of the speech was dropped when I heard it in St. Louis.  It is my understanding, first of all, that Dr. Kawchuk wrote a letter of apology but it was perceived as having some “Yeah, but…” sentiment attached so maybe it didn’t come off as sincere as his detractors would want.

But here’s the thing, it wouldn’t have mattered how sincere the apology was, they found something to hang their hat on. They found an achilles heel and they weren’t going to let go of it. Regardless of what Greg said to them about it.  Can I just say that I’m a Christian and I’m used to getting made fun of by so many out there in the world. It almost doesn’t even affect me anymore. Notice I said ‘almost’.

Now, I’m not Catholic. But Catholics are Christians so, by association, I should be rather offended as well right? I suppose if I were of the easily offended mindset, I would be. But I’m not because I see it all for what it’s worth.  Number one: the Catholic church has had quite a well-chronicled issue in the past with priests and misconduct. I don’t know how you could argue with that and someone bringing it up has become VERY commonplace. That doesn’t make Greg’s comment any more out of place than the 100 other people I have seen mention or make fun of it on Facebook over the past 3-5 years. It’s become very common. Doesn’t make it right but it does make it common. 

Number Two: did that belong in this speech? Well, I wasn’t the speaker so how do I know. I know that I saw the same speech last year without the comment and it seemed very effective and very welcome to everyone that was in attendance. So, it appears it would have been just as good and ultimately less offensive to some.  Knowing what we now know, it doesn’t appear that it was a good choice to go with for that particular speech to that particular crowd. I would say that I enjoy a great and entertaining speech and the one I saw in St. Louis by Dr. Kawchuk was just that. It was actually pretty dang amazing.

I became an instant fan and hearing of the Catholic priest comment later on did nothing to dampen my fandom.  I suggest people lighten the hell up and quit being so damned dramatic. Water off a duck’s back. Oh my goodness, someone said something you didn’t like or agree with? Poor thing. Bless your heart.  So, Greg gave them something to hold onto and go on the attack with. OK. Do you think the ICA got irate over the priest comment? Or do you think they got irate because the speech was anti-vitalist, anti-subluxation?

Honestly….think about it. Let’s be smart. Which do you think it was? It should already be clear what I think it is.  So, the speech is made and the vitalists lose their damned minds and the ICA decides to deal with this travesty. Nobody but the higher ups over there know exactly how it all went down but, by all appearances, it looks like they started leaning on sponsors to pull support from the WFC until changes that the ICA deemed appropriate were made.  So, basically, the ICA decided to be a bully and start flexing on the playground.

They could read the tea leaves and with scientists like Kawchuk, Hartvigsen, and the others steering, the future wasn’t so bright for the ICA bullies so they started figuring out how to pull the purse strings. That’s what it looks like to me.  It looks like companies like ChiroHealth and Foot Levelers leaned on the WFC to remove Kawchuk. In advance of that, Greg just resigned. Then, the other top-level researchers resigned in solidarity and, I would imagine, in protest to what was happening. 

And I don’t blame them one bit.  Here’s the thing here; it is my opinion and the opinion of others that these vendors used our money that we paid them to bully the WFC at the urging of the ICA to oust Kawchuk. And it is my opinion that they used one sour comment to do it. When I feel pretty sure that they bullied the WFC simply because they didn’t like that the speech and the research committee seemed anti-subluxation. Here are the companies that pulled support simultaneously at this pivotal time for the WFC:

  • Standard Process
  • ChiroHealthUSA – USA
  • Chiro Diplomatic Corps
  • NCMIC – USA
  • National Chiropractic Council – USA
  • Koala Mattress – Australia
  • Life Chiropractic College West – USA
  • Life University – USA
  • Lloyd Table Inc – USA
  • Breakthrough Coaching – USA
  • Chiropractic Education Australia Ltd. – Australia
  • Da Vinci Labs – USA
  • Integrated Assessment Services Inc. – Canada
  • Japan Federation of Chiropractic Professionals – Japan
  • Mettler Electronics Corp. – USA
  • Tokyo College of Chiropractic (Formerly RMIT University) – Japan
  • Sidecar

It looks like vendors like ChiroHealth, Foot Levelers, and several others used the money we paid them, to then turn around and bully the WFC research committee because they gave a speech that was anti-subluxation. Used. Our. Money.  I repeated that for a reason. They use our money to get rid of the world’s biggest and best researchers because they didn’t like what they said.  On the other hand, these are the companies that continued to financially support and sponsor the WFC:

  • Palmer College of Chiropractic
  • Parker University
  • Logan Chiropractic College
  • New York Chiropractic College
  • Southern California University of Health Sciences
  • University of Bridgeport
  • University of Western States
  • National University of Health Sciences
  • Canadian Memorial Chiropractic College
  • Anglo European College of Chiropractic
  • Madrid College of Chiropractic
  • Nordisk Institute
  • Dynamic Chiropractic
  • The American Chiropractor
  • Chiropractic Economics

I would like to thank this group that chose to continue to support the WFC, thus continue to support research and science. Thank you for not being bullied by the ICA and the loud minority. Now, let’s be fair. Maybe it was just that times are tough. COVID has us all down. I know it’s got me down. Did they pull or reduce support for the WFC because of the ‘Rona? How are we to know? I don’t know. You don’t know either. But it seems pretty danged coordinated in conjunction with Dr. Kawchuk’s resignation doesn’t it? I mean….doesn’t it? It’s your choice to continue working with these companies but I’ll tell you this much, being evidence-based as I am….I will be second-guessing my commitment and participation with them going forward.

Honestly, how could you not? As my colleague so eloquently stated to me, “Their power is our power.” Again, nobody knows the exact motivation of these companies. I sure as hell don’t. I just know what it looks like.  What if enough of us contacted these companies and griped about this? We can collectively tell them we don’t approve of that sort of influence. We don’t approve of them using our money to bully our research community.

What if this were to serve as a rallying cry for activism over apathy? For a bunch of crappy stuff to take place, all it takes is for good people to just sit on their hands and do nothing.  This can be a rally cry for the WFC and Dr. Goertz, for the ACA, CARL, for the FTCA, and for this Chiropractic Forward Podcast. But, as my esteemed colleague said, there’s a cover charge to getting your voice heard and social media doesn’t quite cut it.  Now, how much of all of this was theater and how much was legitimate?

If Kawchuk was going to be let go because of the financial pressure by the ICA and these companies, was his resignation simply to keep the ICA from getting a win? It seems they reduce exposure by just going to their universities and doing their research there anyway. They’re not out front taking all of the heat and they’re still doing all of their research and all that anyway. Makes you wonder why anyone would want to be out front like that anyway, doesn’t it? I don’t think it was theater.

I think Greg got tired of dealing with the vitalist crap and said to hell with you people. I think the ICA bullied these companies and the WFC to push him out under the guise of a priest comment but really because they didn’t like the anti-subluxation sentiment of the research coming out of the WFC. And I think the companies did exactly what the ICA wanted them to do. So, I think the vitalists and subluxation people won at the end of the day.  It’s all looking like a bunch of stinky garbage on the part of the vitalists but, sometimes those unafraid to get down in the slop are the ones that win the battle. Doesn’t mean they win the war. Just the battle. 

Here’s what I believe. I believe right and truth win every single time. Eventually. So, let’s look at it from that perspective. There are mountains of papers supporting spinal manipulative therapy. There is a paucity as the researchers say….a paucity of solid, respectable research backing the vitalistic, subluxation theory that was generated in the late 1800’s. Here in 2020..it just hasn’t formulated into a solid, well-researched fact, folks. I’m sorry. Don’t punish the messenger.  Anecdotal evidence and charismatic gurus with guitars don’t make it true or make it right. 

Here’s something else I believe strongly, when you have people like McCoy and Edzard Ernst setting the narrative for our profession because we’re not willing to discuss something openly, well, then we’re just asking for it, folks. You either want a well-respected profession or you don’t.  Or, do you want a split all together? The Primary Spine Practitioner program through the University of Pittsburgh may be a good first step for some of you that are bent on the separation.  Can’t we all just get along? I don’t see it happening. I really don’t. I don’t see how our profession can be unified.

Vitalists refuse to follow or even notice solid research that doesn’t confirm their bias. Outright refuse. They insist it’s appropriate to see regular healthy people once per week for life.  Evidence says that’s not appropriate so, therefore, evidence-based chiropractors say it’s inappropriate and it gives us a bad name. So, what do you do about that? You can’t fix it. Evidence based folks can’t continue in a profession where part of the crowd makes them appear illegitimate.

Vitalists refuse to conform to any appearances of being evidence-based.  So, what’s the answer? You tell me. I don’t see a clear answer. I think it lies with the middle group that is neither evidence-based or vitalistic. They’re just out there making a living and getting through their days but are pretty much apathetic to either. When something happens that activates that group, I think that’s what will be the deciding factor on where this profession goes. 

I disagree with 99.9% of everything Edzard Ernst says but I agree with this comment wholeheartedly when he says, “In my view, the problem of the chiropractic profession is unsolvable. Giving up Palmer’s obsolete nonsense of vitalism, innate intelligence, subluxation, etc. is an essential precondition for joining the 21st century. Yet, doing so would abandon any identity chiropractors will ever have and render them physiotherapists in all but name, Neither solution bodes well for the future of the profession.”

I would say that he left out the fact that many PTs are now adding spinal manipulative therapy to their arsenal so maybe PTs are rendering themselves chiropractors rather than the other way around? I would also add to Ernst’s comment that a recent nationwide poll showed that people go to chiropractors to get rid of their pain. They do not go for wellness, vitalism, weekly visits, or innate intelligence talk.  In the comments of Ernst’s post a chiropractor chimed in and said that in his opinion, the profession has a better chance of providing a valuable healthcare service without the ICA members which make up only about 5% of the profession tagging along and raising a stink whenever someone challenges their model or views. 

Researchers should have the freedom to speak thei truth without fear of reprisal of companies that we essentially fund. It goes a hell of a lot deeper than a bad joke folks. It’s an attack on evidence-based chiropractic and an attack on the research community. And we’d better all start seeing it that way because now, the ICA has a win and you can believe they’ll be back for more. If these companies reduced or withheld funding to pressure the WFC based on the ICA’s pressure, we should let these companies know how we feel about it.  I see chiropractors going forward in the world treating pain, following current research, and current widely accepted guidelines. Guidelines that are based in the research literature. I see a profession that accepts a certain standard and a profession that hopefully begins to take policing its own seriously. 

Otherwise, we’ll continue to be the pimple on healthcare’s butt. And that’s the way I see it. And before anyone says it, I’ll say it first…no, I do not want to be a medical doctor. No desire at all. But being a chiropractor doesn’t mean that I have to blindly accept and promote a philosophy from the late 1800’s. They are not mutually exclusive. In any way. The adjustment is the cornerstone of my personal practice and the way I treat patients. It’s just not the end-all-be-all of what I do.  And all of this mess when we are at the precipice of actually breaking through in the healthcare industry. I’ve said it so many times on this podcast but there is no better time to be a chiropractor.

Y’all, it’s a perfect storm. The opioid crisis. The research backs every freaking thing we do OUTSIDE of the subluxation theory. Literallly everything we do.  Spinal manipulative therapy, exercise/rehab, low level laser, massage, acupuncture, balance and proprioceptive training, and things like that. Research backs it all up. It just can’t back up the subluxation stuff.  But we are at a point that we can actually get more patients in our doors if we are a respectable, evidence-based, patient-centered profession.  Again, you can disagree with me. You can cuss me. But you’ll always know where I stand and according to me, I stand for what’s right, I stand for the truth, ethics, morality, and I stand for patients and their right to be treated like respected individuals and not targets that have to be closed.

IF we can’t agree on that, then maybe you can at least respect me and respect the fact that I’m willing to make a stand for what I believe in. Because honestly, I don’t see a lot of folks standing up on this deal.   Maybe it’s just me. I would assume these things would be common sense. Alright, that’s it. Y’all be safe. Keep changing our profession from your little corner of the world. Keep taking care of yourselves and everyone around you. Tough times are upon us but, the sun will shine again. Trust it, believe it, count on it. Let’s get to the message. Same as it is every week.  Store Remember the evidence-informed brochures and posters at chiropracticforward.com.   

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CF 131: New Information On 5 Actions To Change Clinical Practice Today we’re going to talk about moving toward being patient-centered. There are 5 actions recommended. What does it even mean? I might just ruffle some feathers here but a damn I do not giveth. But first, here’s that sweet sweet bumper music  
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Do it do it do it.  You have found yourself smack dab in the middle of Episode #131 Now if you missed last week’s episode , we were joined by Dr. Kevin Christie with The Modern Chiropractic Marketing podcast and author of a new book that’s coming out on chiropractic marketing. Kevin is a rising star in chiropractic and is a must-not-miss. Make sure you don’t miss that info. Keep up with the class.  While we’re on the topic of being smart, did you know that you can use our website as a resource? Quick and easy, you can go to chiropracticforward.com, click on Episodes, and use the search function to find whatever you want quickly and easily. With over 100 episodes in the tank and an average of 2-3 papers covered per episode, we have somewhere between 250 and 300 papers that can be quickly referenced along with their talking points.  Just so you know, all of the research we talk about in each episode is cited in the show notes for each episode if you’re looking to dive in a little deeper.  On the personal end of things….. Still climbing in the patient numbers. Where I’m located here in Amarillo, TX, there is a population of approximately 280,000 people. Last week, on Thursday and Friday we added 3 total cases of COVID on Thursday and only 2 cases on Friday. Then the following Monday, we added 11.  So, as you can see, the numbers here are no longer high. People are sort of ‘over it’ and you can see that and hear it when you talk to the patients. Hell, I’m sort of over it but still being smart. I’m having friends to the house again but we stay outside by the pool and have a couple of adult beverages.  I have a friend that is a musician. Last weekend, he played a rodeo on Woodward, OK. He said there were probably 1,000+ people at the event and it was indoors. So, in Woodward, OK at least, they are REALLY over it. No way in hell I’m grouping up with that many people indoor or outdoor right now. It just doesn’t make sense to me for now.  I guess if I were 28 and at the top of my game physically it wouldn’t make any difference to me either. But going to an event where people are yelling and cheering right behind, beside, and in front of me….big nopers right now. Ain’t happnin’ I noticed that while cases seem to be leveling off across America, they’re not increasing or decreasing as much as you’d like but, what I noticed is that the deaths are going down. Fairly signficantly. So wouldn’t that fit with the news that started coming out a couple weaks ago about the virus losing some potency?  People are still getting it but not as many dying from it. Another explanation could be that we’ve gotten better at treating it. Either way, that’s not my lane so I’m not going to act like the expert. I’ll just say hell yay-us and keep the good news coming so we can all get back to life as it was meant to be lived.  I hope you’re all well and staying healthy. As always, if you care about the kind of information I share every week and you listen consistently, I’m proud of you. I think you care about the right stuff and even though I don’t know you all, I consider you my friend.  Item #1 Let’s kick this week’s research reviews off with this one called ‘It is time to move beyond body region silos to manage musculoskeletal pain; five actinos to change clinical practice’ by Caneiro et. al(Caneiro JP 2020). published in British Journal of Sports Medicine in 2020. We got a hot one over here!! This paper actually has a lot of big names in the industry like Caneiro, O’Sullivan, O’Sullivan and Jan Hartvigsen. If you don’t know Jan’s name, you just haven’t been a regular listener.  Why They Did It They say that current clinical research, education, and practice approaches musculoskeletal pain and conditions in silos. Basically it’s a focus on body regions like the knee, hip, neck, shoulder, etc.  But current thinking actually shows that the pain disorders are frequently comorbid and share common biopsychosocial risk profiles for pain and disability.  They say that a shift to focusing on the person is what is needed and that this would encourage the doctors to:
  1. focus on the patients’ context and modifiable biopsychosocial factors that influence their pain and disability
  2. Use education to facilitate active management approaches (targeted exercise therapy, physical activity, and healthy lifestyle habits) thus reducing reliance on passive interventions
  3. Consider evidence-based surgical procedures only for those with a clear indication and where guideline-based non-surgical approaches have been rigorously adhered to. 
Well who the hell can’t get behind all of that? Honestly, it’s odd when you think about it that in the year 2020, we’re still saying that surgery should be evidence-based and follow certain guides and that conservative treatment should be first basically. How’s that not just common sense and common procedure in 2020? We’re supposed to have freaking flying cars by now but the medical field doesn’t have this stuff down they way they should just yet?  It’s money. I know. I understand it. But it’s frustrating as hell all the same.  In this paper, the authors say to be truly patient-centered, they have five actions they recommend for managing a person with musculoskeletal pain, irrespective of body region. 
  1. Screen for biopsychosocial factors and health comorbidities. Notice this is #1 on their recommendations. If you’re just getting them in a pop a crack a lack and sending them on without this step, your results are going to be less than you or the patient desires. They say we need to communicate clearly with the patient to identify potential biopsychosocial drivers of the pain and then provide the therapy to fill that gap. These things include pain beliefs, emotional and coping responses to pain, social contest, physical and lifestyle factors and the presence of comorbidities. They recommend using the Orebro Musculoskeletal Pain Questionnaire. 
  2. Embrace patient-centered communication. This one is huge and this is one of the key things we learned in the Fellowship training for the neuromusculoskeletal medicine program. Clinicians should use open and reflective questioning to elicit the patient’s understanding of factors, which include the pain experience (tell me your story), causation beliefs (what do they think is the cause of the pain?), coping (what do you do when the pain increases?), impact (Tell me how your symptoms affect your ability to move and function), concerns (do your symptoms worry you?), beliefs (why do you think you shouldn’t bend/lift, or run?), social factors (tell me about your home life or work life), goals (what are you rgoals?), and expectations. Yes, to an extent, updated research and thinking has us behaving a bit like a psychologist I think. It’s not my favorite stuff. But, when you learn and consider how much pain is held in the brain due to these yellow flag indicators, then you start to realize that pain, certainly chronic pain, cannot just be treated at a peripheral source. You have to address the pain from a central sensitization perspective at least equally or you risk never being able to help these patients. 
  3. Educate beyond words using active learning approaches. doctors have to embrace education as a central part of patient care if we are going to change behavior. We have to dispel myths about pain, imaging findings, and activity engagement (for example, hurt does not equal harm). They say that behavioral learning like exercise therapy can be used to bust myths that are unhelpful. Myths and beliefs that lead to things like fear avoidance. 
  4. Coach towards self-management. A large portion of the chiropractic profession wants and desires patients to depend on them week after week, month after month and that’s just not real world stuff. And it’s not helpful for the patient’s recovery either. We should be empowering patients to engage in exercise, valued activities and a healthy lifestyle with confidence. Can you feel the difference here? “Mary, I know you’re only 35 but you already have some degenerative discs in your neck and I’m so concerned about it. This should be considered urgent and I’m going to need to see you 5 million times for the rest of your life.” Is that helpful or is this helpful? “Mary, I know you read on your rad report here that there is a finding of a degenerative disc in your neck but the truth is, that’s very common and not something you should be concerned with. Certainly not over-concerned with. I actually prefer the word ‘deconditioned’ over ‘degenerative.’ A good percentage of 30-40 year old patients have some mildly deconditioned discs but these rarely ever cause any issues. You’re young, you’re strong, and you’re healthy. We’re going to get everything moving correctly and then I’m going to give you some excellent exercises to really focus on the region and build plenty of support. You’re going to do great.” When you stack those two next to each other, it’s easy to see how harmful one is as opposed to the other more positive, more hopeful one. I got a little side tracked there, the point is, help them take control and self manage. Active amnagement relieves pain and improves function across pain conditions and health comorbidities. 
  5. Address comorbid health factors. They say clinicians should refer for co-care in teh presence of comorbid mental and physical health complaints like high levels of emotional distress, eating disorders, and type 2 diabetes. The authors say they contend that multidisciplinary care needs to be integrated, with consistent messages across the team to prevent care fragmentation and patient distress. 
Wrapping up the paper, the authors say Patient-centered care will optimize the value of healthcare provided. Shifting funding to support high-value evidence-based care options and educating society will be critical to enable this transition and will likely be cost-effective. Integrated cross-discipline clinical networds are required for effective co-care. We believe clinicians are ready to change, but they require the support of health systems and payers.  One word….two syllables. Day-um. You day-um right. But, health systems and payers are stuck on the part of our profession that doesn’t care about movement, function, yellow flags, exercise, or proper patient-centered practice. They’re stuck on the portion of our profession that is TIC or TOR or principled or whatever the hell useless drivel they’re using this week.  The hardcore, philosophy, doctor-centered, faith-based rather than evidence-based group of chiropractors are smaller but they’re so much louder. And dangerous. They’re flat-earthers. They’re the reason the evidence-based group will never reach any kind of cultural authority.  You can have a GROUP of guys and girls go through years of continuing education and maybe get a couple of diplomats in neuro or orthopedics or rehab….wahtever….and they can be the smartest chiropractor on the planet and almost 100% of their patients get well.  And then you have just ONE lowsy-ass guy or girl go and bait and switch just ONE patient into 80 visits in a year with a contract and all of the bells and stupid whistles of a doctor-centered practice, and that group that worked so so hard loses every ounce of legitimacy. Because of ONE jackhole that refuses to understand or read research or refuses to sacrifice some money in the interest of their patients well-being.  It’s gross. It’s awful. But it’s chiropractic. We are already looked at with a side-glance untrusting gaze. So any deviance of behavior that would be widely considered normal is magnified. Just one ruins the batch for all of us.  I remember a preacher once saying that you gain trust in drops but you lose it in buckets. The reality in chiropractic is that just one faith-based, doctor-centered jackhole loses trust in ALL chiropractors in buckets. For ALL of us.  My plea is to start sharing this podcast with your subluxation friends. Especially the young students that haven’t yet decided to be ‘principled.’ Maybe we can help lead them down the right path from the very start. The more people are exposed to the research and to the idea of being patient-centered, the more they’ll latch onto it. They have to. One is borderline evil, and the other is not. It’s backed by science. One destroys reputations for the sake of the dollar. One builds reputations and respect. One is built on ideas and theories over a century old that cannot or have not been proven while the other is backed by science and progress. How is it even a damn choice to begin with? We’re either a healthcare profession. Or we are a faith. True healthcare professions do research and then they do more and they change according to what works well and they drop the stuff that doesn’t, and on and on to the point of really being on the cutting edge of the science and on the health of our patients.  I’ll never understand how such a percentage of our profession can’t get on board with that. Whatever the answer to that question might be, it’s that answer that keeps us at the bottom of the cultural authority ladder.  Unfortunately, I don’t see if changing any time soon. Not until the governing boards decided it’s time to change once and for all.   Alright, that’s it. Y’all be safe. Continue taking care of yourselves and taking care of your neighbors. Tough times are upon us but, the sun will shine again. Trust it, believe it, count on it. Let’s get to the message. Same as it is every week.  Key Takeaways Store Remember the evidence-informed brochures and posters at chiropracticforward.com.   
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Forward ’19, Decompression Research, Curveball or Pitch Count?

CF 094: Forward ’19, Decompression Research, Curveball or Pitch Count?

Today we’re going to talk about my Forward ’19 experience, we’ll talk about decompression research, and we’ll cover some new research on whether it’s the curveball or the pitch count that injures young players on the baseball diamond. 

But first, here’s that sweet sweet bumper music 

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OK, we are back and you have found the Chiropractic Forward Podcast where we are making evidence-based chiropractic fun and accessible while we make you and your patients better all the way around. Welcome, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have rattled and rolled into Episode #94

Now if you missed last week’s episode on the bigger the disc the better and what early improvement in treatment tells you, make sure you don’t miss that info. Every episode offers some good take-aways so make sure you’re up to date and not falling behind the rest. 

I like to look at this podcast as an ongoing, fun way of learning and making each other just a little bit better every week so don’t just hop in for one episode. Stack them up one after another and, before you know it, you’re going to start retaining the info and you’re going to start recalling something we talked about down the road when you’re interacting with a patient and they ask you a question. 

You’ll see. Even though I’m the host, it happens to me. Someone will ask me a question and I’ll remember an episode we did on that topic and BOOM!! Pow!! There it is, the answer comes to me. Pretty cool. 

Forward ’19 – For you newbies here you’re probably wondering what the hell Forward ’19 is. A quick rundown is that it is a yearly seminar/conference that was born from an online Facebook group called the Forward Thinking Chiropractic Alliance aka FTCA. They have a website as well. 

The group is very much evidence-based or evidence-informed. Whichever is your preferred verbiage. The group has about 7800 or so doctors in it and they are interacting on a daily basis mostly to try and make each other better. Overall, it’s a good group. I’ve heard people griping because they see griping here and there in the group but, in general, it’s a very positive, very smart, and very helpful group. I encourage you joining it if you’re a doctor or student. 

Anyway, Forward 19 – What an event. The group puts on several events through the year but this is the key event put on by the FTCA every year. This is year #2. It was in St Louis at the campus of Logan Chiropractic College.

First thing is, holy smokes what a campus man. I bet they pay a fortune just to mow the grass. Just wow. The landscaping, the tower in the middle, and Purcer Center where it was all held. Just gorgeous. Having gone to Parker, that was the Chiro campus I’d been on and don’t get me wrong, Parker is impressive. I’d say Logan most definitely is as well. Kudos.

Speakers:

Gray Cook SFMA – SFMA stands for Selective Functional Movement Assessment – I have to admit that this was my first exposure to Gray Cook but it won’t be my last. I had heard of SFMA but was not all that familiar with it. I really enjoyed his talk and some of the concepts he puts forward. I can’t wait until I get through with my Diplomate program – hopefully in November – so that I can dive into Gray Cook’s stuff and just keep building on the knowledge pile. 

Greg Kawchuk – He is the Research Chair for the World Federation of Chiropractic. 

So, outside of the FTCA, I had little knowledge of Greg Kawchuk. But, Greg gave a speech at the World Federation of Chiropractic last year in Berlin that got some people a little fussy and some people elated. It definitely got the attention of chiropractors around the world to say the least. He gave the same speech last weekend in St. Louis and it had people on the edge of their seats. 

Backing up a bit, Greg is a dynamic speaker. One of the more humorous and engaging speakers I’ve seen in maybe forever. He’s immediately like-able and that make for a good speech from the top. The talk was all about putting the ACT back in Chiropractic. A play on the way the philosophy guys use the TOR and the TIC garbage. You know….the principled vs. un-principled hoohah. 

I happened to think that evidence-informed docs are the principled ones and if you need more info on why I think that, just go back about 3-4 episodes and listen to my podcast on the topic of Closing Patients. A principled, ethical person doesn’t carry themselves in that manner and the philosophy folks are much more likely to be out there closing patients than offering responsible treatment plans that are based on commonly accepted guidelines. In my experience at least. It’s always made me a bit hot under the collar when someone asks whether another chiropractor is principled or not. 

Makes me want to principle them in the forehead…..with a mighty slap. 

Anyway, putting the ACT back in chiropractic: he asked what are we doing right now? What are you doing right now to move the needle forward? To bring chiropractic into this current century we are in? He suggests we do a lot of sciencing and consume at least 1 science per day and I agree with him. 

Hell, here at the Chiropractic Forward podcast, we distribute about 3-4 sciences per episode so we almost got you covered for the whole week if you’re a regular listener. 

I think the part of his presentation that some took exception to was the part where he feels the evidence group may, at some point, consider a divorce from the philosophy geared group. He said it may not be an official divorce but could be very much a divorce in the way we act, carry ourselves, communicate with our patients, and things of that nature. 

He says, at the end of the day, it could be something similar to….. we went out for a pack of smokes and…..just never came back. 

Now, as you sit in your car or truck or your office hearing me say that, you can take that all in as you will. I’m going to tell you that, as a doctor that considers himself very much on the research end of things and very little on the philosophy end of it, and as a doctor that does everything he can to be ethical, honest, and all that…..it is so hard to sit and hear patients talking to me about being forced to sign of on a contract for thousands of dollars for a year long schedule for umpteen visits based on a curve correction that research suggests isn’t that big of a deal. 

It’s hard to hear about the knuckleheads in Oakland claiming they can reverse degenerative spurring by seeing someone 3x/per day for 3 weeks. It’s hard to watch Mr. man bun top not from the coffee house talking about fixing kids with no research to back his claims. 

It’s hard to hear about chiropractors scaring the crap out of patients with x-rays and convincing them that they are somehow damaged and in a dire circumstance unless they undergo 60 visits and another 3 sets of x-rays….

These are just a few of the stories. There are so so so many of them and at some point, I just don’t want to be associated with that anymore. At all. If that’s not understandable and that makes no sense to you and that makes you mad at me, well….I’d say I’m sorry but I’m just….I’m just not. 

Even though I don’t smoke in the physical meaning of the word, I think I went out for a pack of smokes and never came back about 15 years ago. 

Christine Goertz – If you are a regular listener of our podcast, you know Dr. Goertz has been on our show before and you know I’m a nerdy fan of her and her contribution to our profession. Any chance to listen to Dr. Goertz is a chance that should be seized upon. She’s a giant in our industry. 

Annie O’Connor – World Of Hurt – OK, I’m admitting something again. I wasn’t familiar with Annie O’Connor. Annie is fun and vivacious and really another very dynamic speaker but she is full of knowledge nuggets. The kind that you can really put to use. She spoke on how words can harm so how key communication can be for some patients. She talked about yellow flags and she talked about classifying pain patients so that we can help them with more efficiency. You can believe that World Of Hurt is on my reading list after Forward ’19. 

Greg Friedman – documentation  documentation. Greg is Greg. Smart, laid back, fun, and just likable immediately. It was great to get to meet him in person and share a good discussion prior to his documentation class. He’s full of excellent information and not just on documentation so, if you get a chance and you need the hours, search out a class. He’s flying all over the nation every weekend. 

Mike Massey – he shared teaching duties with Greg on the documentation class. He told me he’s a listener of our podcast and he’s an active member of the FTCA so I’ve been a fan of his for a while now. It’s always a cool deal to put the online world into a 3D context and it was sure nice to meet Dr. Massey. Hopefully next time I’ll get to sit and speak a while with him. I think our personalities probably match up pretty closely from what I can tell. 

Some of the others I got to see and speak with are Brandon Steele

Kevin Christie

Jon Morrison

Robert Jones, President Of The ACA was there the whole weekend sitting in on the classes himself. What a super guy.

Budweiser tour

Meeting people

Kris Anderson

Chris Howson

Rob Pape

Bobby Maybee

Bobby Mozafari

Mike Massey

Greg Friedman

Dale Thompson

Kevin Christie

Anne Maurer

My biggest regret is that I didn’t get any real one on one time with very many of these folks but That’s OK. All’s well.

If I didn’t come up and speak with you but you saw me there, please don’t take it personally, believe it or not, I have a bit of a shy streak. Once I’ve had a conversation with someone, it’s all good. But, if I don’t know you yet….ugh….I have a podcast. I was a traveling musicians for 7 years. Why would a guy like me be shy at all? Yeah I don’t know. I’m in control in those other situations. Maybe it’s when I’m not in control or I’m a newbie….who knows?

Anyway, if you ever see me at an event, regardless of the event, please come say hi. I’d love to meet you.

We are about to get to our two articles. One is new research on traction/decompression information for low back discs and the other is on young baseball pitchers and how the curveball isn’t the culprit. 

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Item #1

The first article today is called “The effect of mechanical traction on low back pain in patients with herniated intervertebral disks: a systemic review and meta-analysis” by Cheng, et. al(Cheng Y 2019). and published in Clinical Rehabilitation in August 28, 2019. Smoking hot folks. Stand back. Watch your eyebrows!

First thing, recognize in the title there, this is a systematic review and meta-analysis. That’s at the top of the research pyramid. 

Why They Did It

To evaluate the effectiveness of traction in improving low back pain, functional outcome, and disk morphology in patients with herniated intervertebral disks.

How They Did It

  • They did a big time search PubMed, Scopus, Embase, and the Cochrane Library and they did this search from the earliest record all the way up to July 2019. 
  • They included RCTs that involved adult patients with low back pain associated with herniated disc confirmed by MRI or CT
  • RCTs that compared lumbar traction to sham or no traction
  • RCTs that provided quantitative measurements of pain and function before and after intervention. 
  • The initial search came up with 3,015 records which they whittled down to 7 involving 403 patients.

What They Found

Compared to the control group, the patients that had traction showed significantly greater improvements in pain and function in the short term

The differences were not significant enough to support the long-term effects on pain and function, nor the effects on herniated disc size. 

Wrap It Up

Compared with sham or no traction, lumbar traction exhibited significantly more pain reduction and functional improvements in the short term, but not in the long term. There is insufficient evidence to support the effect of lumbar traction on herniated disk size reduction.

Here’s where I’m at on that. I use decompression. I just need to know more about this study. Did they do simple traction? Did they do a cycling pull phase from a pull to a rest phase? How much weight was the pull? How long did they do each treatment and how many treatments did they do?

There’s also patient preference and clinical experience factoring into using decompression.

Reading down through this sucker, it’s just too varied to make any assumptions. The intervention programs differed among the studies from 10 sessions to 60. The treatment protocols varied from 2 weeks to 10 weeks. Some of the studies included had no information on the weight of the pull while a handful went up to 50% of the body weight. Some of the studies used continued traction while others had intermittent traction. Some even used self-suspended, inversion table type traction. 

Are you getting a whiff of what I’m dumping here? 

Out of the 7 studies they included, only 2 measure the disc height and one measured the disc ratio. 

Overall, when you read through the paper, these authors freely admit, this is a tough one but they wanted to start somewhere. They suggest several ways to go forward and say that there are a couple of studies out there that show a trend toward long-term decompression reducing the size of a disc herniation but no longer papers have been done to investigate it. 

It’s anecdotal as hell but I’m going to go ahead and anecdote the hell of you. Right to your face. Or….to your ears as it may be. I’ve been doing decompression for about 7 years and I’ve yet to see anything as effective. Including exercises, McKenzie, all of it. In some cases, it has absolutely amazed me. But, like I said, that is anecdotal but I hope some of these really super smart researchers out there in the profession start to dial down into it and figure it out. Mostly because I know it works. I’ve just seen it too many times. 

Item #2

This last item is called “Effects of a Simulated Game on Upper Extremity Pitching Mechanics and Muscle Activations Among Various Pitch Types in Youth Baseball Pitchers” by Oliver et. al(Oliver G 2019). and was published in Journal of Pediatric Orthopedics in September of 2019. Wait, it’s September of 2019 right now right? Steaming pile of fresh knowledge nuggets, big platter, sizzling. 

Why They Did It

The purpose of this study was to examine differences in pelvis, torso, and upper extremity pitching mechanics and muscle activations between the fastball, change-up, and curveball pitches in youth baseball pitchers following a simulated game.

How They did It

  • 14 youth baseball pitchers with no history of injury were included
  • All major muscles and mechanics were measured
  • The pitchers were instructed to throw with max effort during a simulated game that provided random game situations
  • They were limited to 85 pitches
  • Data from 3 fastballs, curveballs, and change-ups thrown in the first and last innings were selected for analysis

Wrap it up

The principle findings of this study revealed that pitching to the age-restricted pitch count limit did not result in altered pitching mechanics or muscle activations, and no differences occurred between the 3 pitches. These results support previous research that indicate the curveball pitch is no more dangerous for youth than the other pitches commonly thrown. This is supported by the pitcher’s ability to maintain a proper arm slot during all 3 pitches and indicates that they are obtaining the spin on the ball from their grip and not by altering upper extremity mechanics.

So….it is not the curveball it seems but, rather, it’s the pitch count in young pitchers, it’s treating them like professionals when they’re still developing, it’s that they tend to play only one sport aka specialize, and that they need to be treated like developing children and human beings rather than the Dad’s lost glory or a future paycheck for the whole family. 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

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Bibliography

  • Cheng Y, H. C., Lin Y, (2019). “The effect of mechanical traction on low back pain in patients with herniated intervertebral disks: a systemic review and meta-analysis.” Clin Rehabil.
  • Oliver G, P. H., Henning L, (2019). “Effects of a Simulated Game on Upper Extremity Pitching Mechanics and Muscle Activations Among Various Pitch Types in Youth Baseball Pitchers.” J Pediatr Orthop 39(8): 387-393.