CF 147 w/ Dr. Katie Pohlman – New Research, Upcoming Research, And the Need For It All
Today we’re going to be joined by the one and only, research extraordinaire , Dr. Katie Pohlman. We’re going to talk about all kinds of research-related shenanigans so just you know that you are in the right place at the right time my friend. But first, here’s that sweet sweet bumper music
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On the personal end of things…..
This week we have a guest you’ve heard me talk about plenty of times and I’m excited to have her with us so we won’t dwell on the my personal happenings too long here.
First, we see numbers rising fairly significantly around my neck of the woods. Here in Texas, you can’t get anyone to take it seriously so we have folks walking around everywhere without a mask on. That tends to limit my interaction with people I don’t know. Of course, they’re required here in my clinic but going into a convenience store, that’s a different story.
The last time I did that the clerk and myself were the only ones wearing them out of about 10 people. That’s a little distressing. To say the least. But, it is what it is. Darwinism is a real thing. Of course I don’t wish it on anyone and every loss is tragic. But there’s also the natural progression of Darwinism. Those that go by ‘heart’ and ‘opinion’ rather than science and self-preservation…..well, that’s a more dangerous course and I wish them all luck. In the end, regardless of how many get it, we’re looking at 98% of them coming through alright. No percentage guess on how many survive but suffer ongoing issues though. I haven’t heard numbers on that.
Anyway, as far as the practice goes, we are clicking along and doing well. The new patient count is staying up there where it needs to be and the weekly visits will follow. Still around 145 last week though. I want to see that up around the 185 per week mark. Minimally.
Then we can get back to paying down debt (aka school loans) and investing rather than paying the bills and surviving. Lol. lt’s good to pay the bills and survive but we should have bigger plans shouldn’t we? Investing and being debt free is key to the later part of life and it’s hard to do so when you’re down.
Speaking of, I want to pass along some info to you guys and gals. I just finished up a book and decided I’d order 2 more off of Amazon to give out as gifts. The only other book I’ve ever done that with was one called The Easy Way To Quit Smoking by Alan Carr. I ordered several to loan out to my patients that are smokers.
This book though was about investing. I have read financial books before but, if I’m being honest, getting into symbols and specifics and all…..it’s just not my forte. My wheelhouse exists elsewhere. Which sucks because being financially sound is key to all of our lives.
Anyway, the book is called Quit Like A Millionaire by Kristy Shen and Bryce Leung. They’re a married couple with different last names. I don’t know. Young people these days do stuff different. Lol. Anyway, I am always skeptical about titles like that. Sure sure….quit like a millionaire. Riggghhhtttt. This book is different. When I said young people do things differently, these two really do. There are real, actionable steps here and I have to admit, even at 48 years old, I’m pretty jazzed about getting my numbers back up so I can jump in head first on some of these suggestions.
They retired at 32 years old. She’s got the research and the numbers behind her and I’m impressed. If I can get started on it soon, I’ll talk about it and share my experiences with you as I go along. Until then, you might check her website at https://www.millennial-revolution.com/start-here/
Enough of that, let’s get going with our guest today. Welcome to the show, Dr. Pohlman. I appreciate you joining us today.
How are things at Parker University today?
Tell me why you became a chiropractor and then what it was that led you into the research side rather than the treatment side of the profession.
Congratulations on being the ACA Researcher of the Year. Tell me, with all of the amazing researchers doing work in the profession right now, in your opinion, what made you the pick for the award this year.
Let’s talk about your post at Parker University. Can you tell us about your day-to-day? For the research-minded listener out there in podcast land, what does the head of research at Parker do every day when you go into work?
I have a paper here that you were the lead author on called “Assessing Adverse Events After Chiropractic Care at a Chiropractic Teaching Clinic: An Active-Survellance Pilot Study” and published in the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics in August of 2020 so brand new stuff here(Pohlman K 2020). While unfamiliar with the other authors on the paper, I do recognize Dr. Greg Kawchuk. I got to see him speak last September in St. Louis at the Forward ’19 conference and wow….he’s an effective speaker to say the least. He’s a heavy hitter for sure. The stated objective here was to assess the feasibility of implementing an active-surveillance reporting system within a chiropractic teaching clinic and subsequently determining the frequency of adverse events after treatment is administered. Now pilot studies are basically the research before the research, right? So, what is down the road along these lines and why is this paper important to us?
Here is a quote from the conclusion of the paper that I think our listeners would find educational. You say, “Our preliminary findings identified that over 50% of patients had improved symptoms after a chiropractic encounter, whereas 8.9% of patients reported worsening symptoms and 5.0% reported new symptoms. Additionally, results from this study suggest that although most symptoms improve with care, there are symptoms that worsen or are new after care, which may not have been previously known to interns or practitioners.”
Another project you were an author on is called “Chiropractic Care of Adults With Postpartum-Related Low Back, Pelvic Girdle, or Combination Pain: A Systematic Review,” by yourself and Carol Ann Weiss et. al(Weiss C 2020). published again in the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics in again, August of 2020. It was a really busy August for you apparently! The objective of this one was to conduct a systematic review assessing the effectiveness of specific chiropractic care options commonly used for postpartum low back pain, pelvic girdle pain, or a combination of the two. Can you lead us through the paper a little and talk about the abstract’s conclusion which says, “No treatment option was identified as having sufficient evidence to make a clear recommendation.”
The last paper I want to ask you about is one you were on that we covered way back in episode #68 and the paper was called “Change in young people’s spine pain following chiropractic care at a publicly funded healthcare facility in Canada.” It’s amazing how much wonderful research goes on in Canada, BTW. Anyway, it was published in Complementary Therapies in Clinical Practice in March of 2019(Manansala C 2019). This one was interesting to me because it highlighted the fact that spinal pain in young people has been established as a risk factor for pain later in their life. Basically, you all wanted to see how kids respond to chiropractic. I think most chiropractors find this to be obvious given our clinical observations but the conclusion of the paper was “the findings of th epresent study provide evidence that a pragmatic course of chiropractic care, including spinal manipulation, mobilization, soft tissue therapy, acupuncture, and other modalities within the chiropractic scope of practice are a viable conservative pain management treatment option for young people.” What can you tell me about this paper? Did you learn anything new that you didn’t already know going into it?
Do you ever get tired of having a new paper come out? Is it exciting every time?
When I was at Forward ’19, I heard about a program for the first time. I had never heard of CARL before. It turns out that you are very involved. Can you tell us what it is and why it’s important?
What are you and your crew working on now? What’s coming down the line and what big questions are you hoping to get answers to?
Alright, that’s it. Y’all be safe. Keep changing our profession from your little corner of the world. Keep taking care of yourselves and everyone around you. Tough times are upon us but, the sun will shine again. Trust it, believe it, count on it.
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- Manansala C, P. S., Pohlman K, (2019). “Change in young people’s spine pain following chiropractic care at a publicly funded healthcare facility in Canada.” Complementary Therapies in Clinical Practice.
- Pohlman K, F. M., Ndetan H, Hogg-Johnson S, Bodnar P, Kawchuk G, (2020). “Assessing Adverse Events After Chiropractic Care at a Chiropractic Teaching Clinic: An Active-Survellance Pilot Study.” J Man Physiol Ther.
- Weiss C, P. K., Draper C, Silva-Oolup S, Stuber K, Hawk C, (2020). “Chiropractic Care of Adults With Postpartum-related Low Back, Pelvic Girdle, or Combination Pain: A Systematic Review.” J Man Physiol Ther.