CF 097: w/ Dr. James Lehman (Pt. 2) – National Scope, Chronic Pain vs. High Impact Chronic Pain , Coordinated Care/Medicaid, DACO to DIANM

Today we’re going to be talking with Dr. James Lehman. This is Part Two of the interview. If you are just now joining us and did not get to hear Part One, make sure you do so. When Dr. Lehman speaks, you don’t want to miss a word. We’re going to cover topics like implementing a national scope of practice, chronic pain vs. high impact chronic pain, and topics like should a chiropractor own rural healthcare clinics and chiropractors working in coordinated care and medicaid integrated settings. 

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I always do a little update on my personal practice and life in the trenches. In the real world if you will. Instead of that, I want to say that last week, I was scrolling through my Facebook page and Dr. Lehman and I are friends on Facebook. 

I noticed a picture he posted laying in a hospital bed watching his beloved St. Louis Cardinals play on TV. 

It turns out that just last week, Dr. Lehman suffered a myocardial infarction. I normally wouldn’t mention this but, I figure if it’s posted on Facebook by the man himself, he’s OK with it. 

Anyway, the main reason I mention it is to ask you all to say a prayer for Dr. Lehman if you are the praying kind, which I most certainly am. If you are not, then please send some positive vibes, energy, or thoughts his way through the ether. Whatever it is, let’s give it to him because Dr. Lehman certainly has given us chiropractors a lot. 

Dr. Lehman, from what I can tell through Facebook and text, Dr. Lehman is doing well and on the mend. From me to Dr. Lehman, you have my prayers and thoughts and please get well my friend. 

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Introduction of Dr. James Lehman

Now, let’s go ahead and get on with the reason we’re all here. Before we speak with Dr. James Lehman, I want to go through a little background information on him for you so you are well aware of who he is and where he is coming from. 

Dr. James Lehman is an Associate Professor of Clinical Sciences at the University of Bridgeport/College of Chiropractic and Director of Health Sciences Postgraduate Education (HSPED). 

Dr. James Lehman completed his MBA at the University of New Mexico and a doctorate in chiropractic medicine at the Logan College of Chiropractic in St. Louis, Missouri.

Dr. James Lehman is a board-certified, chiropractic orthopedist. He teaches orthopedic and neurological examination and differential diagnosis of neuromusculoskeletal conditions. In addition, he provides clinical rotations for fourth-year chiropractic students and chiropractic residents in the community health center and a sports medicine rotation in the training facility of the local professional baseball team. 

As Director, Dr. James Lehman developed the three-year, full-time resident training program in chiropractic orthopedics and neuromusculoskeletal medicine. The program offers training within primary care facilities of a Federally Qualified Health Center and Patient-Centered Medical Home. While practicing in New Mexico, he mentored fourth-year, UNM medical students. We could go on and on. 

In your article, you include a section titled “Modernization of Medicare and Medicaid Coverage” which will lead us nicely into one of the main topics of our episode today. In this section you mention how Article 2706 of the Affordable Care Act is supposed to prevent discrimination against chiropractors but, for whatever reason, it hasn’t. I’ve been hollering about this through my position with the Texas Chiropractic Association for years. You talk about this a little in the article but…..why do you think nobody is forcing 2706 down people’s throats and what would it take to take a stand against insurance companies with 2706 as the basis?

OK, coordinated care and Medicaid: a topic you are very knowledgeable. In fact, we have discussed the integration of chiropractors into the FQHC’s around the nation. FQHC, for those that don’t know means Federally Qualified Health Centers. One of our former podcast guests is Dr. Kris Anderson from North Dakota who just happens to be the first in his state to work in an FQHC. 

Can you tell us more about coordinated care and Medicaid and the initiative to get chiropractic care integrated more into that setting?

Alright, last on our list of things we must talk about is the topic you have done a ton of work on. I remember one of the DACO classes I had with you as the instructor. In the class, I recall you mentioning that we as a profession do not diagnose chronic pain syndrome nearly enough. It’s a big problem, and one I’ve become more and more engaged in through the DACO program, so let’s dive into the topic of Chronic Pain Syndrome vs. High Impact Chronic Pain. 

I’m just going to turn it over to you on this. The way I want to start is for you to just tell us what you think we as a profession need to know and we can take it from there.  Chronic pain is a huge topic that really can be it’s own year long topic of chiropractic forward podcasts. Chronic pain affects a huge number of patients.


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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient. 

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!


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