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CF 061: Faith-based Chiropractic, Ohio Lawmakers, & Chronic Neck Pain

CF 061: Faith-based Chiropractic, Ohio Lawmakers, & Chronic Neck Pain

Today we’re going to talk about another aspect or group that I find particularly troubling in my profession I call faith-based chiropractic, we’ll talk about some lawmakers in Ohio, and then we’ll gloss over a paper on chronic neck pain and balance. Stick around, it might get interesting. 

But first, here’s that ‘yummy in your tummy’ bumper music


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OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

You have streamed you way into Episode #61

Before I make people mad, let’s talk a bit about the DACO program which is the Diplomate of the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists. I’m on it, I’m on it. I’m on it like stink on my teenager’s socks. You know what I’m talking about. I won’t even enter his room. It just has a certain smell that I want no part of. 

Continuing on with the eLearning episodes through the CDI group, I recently wrapped up one on Lateral Epicondylalgia just this morning and a few days ago finished up one on Fibromyalgia. Did you know the literature is pointing to those two conditions as being partly due to the central nervous system and what is termed central sensitization? 

It’s excellent information. If you want some guidance getting started on it, shoot me an email at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com No, I don’t get a thing out of helping you or out of talking about it. Nothing at all. It’s just something I’m currently doing so it’s top of mind and I see the incredible value daily and am sharing that information with you. That’s about the total of it. 

I want everyone, as soon as you get to a computer, to go to chiropracticforward.com and click on the STORE link. You will find Posters and Brochures. The posters have some of my favorite and often-used sayings from the podcast. The brochures are evidence-based and are something I have been working on for some time now in my spare time. Now, if I can get some pre-orders ready to rock, we’ll get them ordered and sent on their way to you. 

I’d love to get your feedback on them at dr.williams@chiropracticforward.com

Introduction

Everyone on the planet knows there are two things you don’t talk about and they are POLITICS and RELIGION. 

For me, this here, what we’re about to go into….it has very little to do with the nuts and bolts of religion but more to do with the use of it. I’m going to touch on a very touchy subject and I hope that you won’t do the “poor me, I’m offended by everything on the planet” bit and get mad and leave and never return.

Rather, I hope you’ll hear what I have to say and hear it objectively and then, we either agree or disagree and we move on with our days with a common goal of getting people better. In the end, it’s just one dude’s opinion so let’s not get too worked up, OK? 

Faith-based Chiropractic

OK, let’s talk openly and honestly and hope we don’t make everyone mad. Here’s my deal people, I’m a Christian and have been all of my life. In fact, when I was younger as in junior high and high school, typically if the doors were open, I was there. Sunday morning, Sunday evening, and Wednesday night. Yep. Southern Baptist even although, now, I’m non-denominational. I found out I’m not as much of a fan of organized religion as I am of religion in general. When it gets too organized, I get less interested if that makes sense. 

Anyway, I’m a proud Christian but I’m not a loud or a bully Christian at all. If you come to my office, I’m not sure I have one cross in the whole place. That doesn’t mean I frown on you if you have Christian music playing through the speakers and you have scripture written on the walls. I honestly have no problem with that if it’s there for the right reasons. I don’t believe people are coming to my office for religion so it’s not right for me personally. 

I will admit, I’m a sculptor so several of my pieces are here. One of my pieces is called Road To Damascus and is about a story found in the Bible. I’ll post a picture in the show notes at www.chiropracticforward.com and you can just go to episode 61 if you want to check it out and see it. 

 

Damascus apostle paul bronze

saul apostle paul damascus sculpture

 

I feel like, since I AM one, I can talk about other Christians.

Lately, I’m seeing more and more posts and have been hearing more and more about Christian Chiropractors. I think the idea or concept of being a Christian Chiropractor is just fine. Honestly, I do. There are indeed people that would rather go to a like-minded practitioner rather than a Satan-worshipping chiropractor for example. Wouldn’t you agree? ‘Birds of a feather flock together’ is more than just a saying.

Much in the same way that some patients would just as likely AVOID a Christian Chiropractor if they themselves are not Christians. If someone wants to identify themselves as Christian, honestly, I’m cool with that. I don’t but I don’t care if you do. Not at all. 

Fair play to ya. That’s why we have different strokes for different folks and I’m so OK either way. There are Christian MDs, Muslim plumbers, Christian brothers car mechanics, Jewish this, and Buddhist that…. Whatever melts your butter and feathers your fancy. 

My Issue

My issue today isn’t one of religion vs. non-religion in all honestly. My problem lies in practitioners USING their religion to build their businesses and, in a most undesirable move, using religion to manipulate vulnerable patients for the purpose of padding their wallets. 

That’s a next level no-no in my book. Who cares about my book, right? Maybe nobody at all. Maybe around 8,000 people so far though so, it’s possible some actually DO care about my book so let’s keep rolling here. 

I want to make a distinction here. a Christian, according to the New Testament is charged with going and preaching the gospel. Save souls. There are some that truly feel that, if they are not doing that, they’re not fulfilling their mission. 

OK, fair enough. Who am I to argue that you’re wrong and who the hell am I to judge? If I were to say you’re wrong, I’d be arguing against the Bible and I’m certainly not going to do that. I have faults so I do what I can to stay in the good graces when at all possible. 

If it is honest and well-meant and you feel it in your heart to save your patients, rock on brothers and sisters. Amen & Hallelujah. 

But, if you mix religion into your business practices and protocols as a way to build your business by manipulating desperate and many times scared patients into seeing you, that’s where our paths go separately.

I cannot reconcile it in my mind how it would ever be right or permissible. I’ve never in my life gone to church to pick up business. I’m not there for that. It would be disingenuous and would defeat the purpose of being in the building in the first place. 

In the same way, I don’t use it to build my business in my office. I would not feel honest. I wouldn’t feel genuine. At the end of the day, if I’m anything, I’m those two things. Again, we’re all different but for me personally, it just doesn’t feel right. 

Example

Let me give you exhibit #1 for an example so you can see for yourself what I’m talking about. Here is an actual script folk.

“Mary, I’m concerned. I’m really concerned about you. When you don’t continue your plan to remove the subluxations that are interfering with God’s life force allowing it to innately flow from above down through your body in order to heal you, you’re not allowing God to do his part and heal your body. I understand that it’s hard getting here…but I have an opening at 5:30 tonight so we’ll see you then and let’s get you that life-saving adjustment tonight ok?”

That is a script used by a  popular company. They tell their members to say stuff like that. I’m not even kidding and, as I said, that’s some next level BS for me personally, in my practice. 

As a Christian myself I’m telling you, someone says something like that to me while I’m trying to get my issues resolved, the next thing they’re seeing is my ass as I walk out the door. 

First, I’m not there to be preached to. I go to church for that. Second, it’s obvious you’re trying to manipulate me into treatment using my religion and that just straight up pisses me off. Third, if God wants to heal a patient, why on Earth would he need a chiropractor to make that happen? 

Honestly. Think about it honestly. God moved heaven and earth. All-knowing. All powerful. But needs a chiropractor to facilitate your improved health? That’s insane in the membrane to me. 

What If

What if they said, “Mary, I’d never try to tell someone how to spend their money or how to take care of themselves because that’s none of my business. My job is to tell you what I think would be the best for you based on the idea that you live right next door and have no travel concerns, and you have all of the time and money in the world. What would I think would be best for you? Then there’s reality and my job is to be here for you however you want to use me. We don’t hassle our patients about their recommendations. Just do me a favor if you can’t do what I recommend, don’t tell people that chiropractic didn’t work. OK? Tell them you weren’t able to do what the chiropractor recommended. Is that fair?”

And all the people said, Amen. Literally, every single one of them agrees that it is indeed fair. 

Of course, I also tell them that if they love what we do for them and they get to feeling better, we’d love a great review on Google and Facebook but, if you don’t like us, just keep your mouth shut.” Of course, they know I’m kidding. Or am I?…..

The way I see it, I’m a specialist in what I do and that’s why a patient is here to see me and that’s what they will get. They’re not going to get politics and they’re not going to get religion either. 

As I said in episode #56 when I talked about the magical mystical disappearing arthritic osteophytes, although in many areas of the world it’s getting better, we are still in a battle with a medical community that wants to do away with us. We need to ask ourselves an honest question. Does this sort of stuff, put us at risk of continued ridicule? 

I doubt medical doctors are sitting around all over the country saying, “Mary, I’m concerned about you. If you don’t get this chemo followed by months of radiation, God can’t express himself fully in your body and your healing will not be complete, and you’re going to die.” “Mary, if you don’t take this oxcy, God won’t be able to calm down that issue long enough for us to make any progress in your healing.”

And, if you ever DO find one that does (there are always exceptions to the rule right?) if you find an MD that does that, the whole world is going to think he’s a coo coo loco and you might even see him on 60 Minutes one Sunday night. 

God, faith, religion, and spirituality are wonderful things. They’re the #1 things in the lives of so many people including ME. Just don’t dirty them or the profession by using them as marketing and worse of all….tools to work patients and manipulate them. Please….

I love your religion and I love your passion as long as it’s genuine. Once it becomes about business and becomes a tool to work people, you lose me. That’s all I’m saying. 

Hopefully, not too many of you lost the cheese off of your cracker on that. Let’s keep moving. 

Resource #1

I want to cover a recent article I noticed from WSAZ NewsChannel 3 up in Charleston, WV. It was written by Kaitlynn LeBeau called Ohio Lawmakers, doctors suggest chiropractic care instead of opioids(LeBeau 2018) and was posted on March 21, 2018. 

https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Ohio-lawmakers-doctors-suggest-chiropractic-care-instead-of-opioids-477447883.html

It’s in WV but talking about Ohio and here’s what they had to say. The Ohio Attorney General and lawmakers held a press conference last March to talk about the need for alternatives to pain meds. The Attorney General, Mike DeWine, said: “More and more people are looking for new and innovative ways to treat pain.” 

Yes, we already know this but he also went on to speak about community health centers that include medical, fitness, social and educational services. We’ve already talked about chiropractors getting integrated into the Federally Qualified Health Centers and, yes….you have one near you whether you know it or not. Just Google the term “FQHC” and then the name of your city or region and see what pops up. 

Here’s what I really wanted to point out: we chiropractors have a powerful ally in American soldier, Staff Sergeant Shilo Harris. If you are not familiar with Sgt. Harris, he is located in San Antonio, TX last I heard unless he’s relocated. 

Anyway, on his second deployment to Iraq, he was injured by a roadside bomb. When I say injured, I mean big time. Go do a google search on Shilo Harris and you’ll see immediately what I’m talking about. 

Bless his heart and thank you for your service, Sgt. Harris. Heroes don’t play on a basketball court or football field. They fight selflessly and give of themselves for our freedom. For complete strangers, many of which don’t even like them. They fight for the love of country too, right? Just amazing people. 

He is quoted in the article as saying, “I’m here to tell you that chiropractic care saved my life. I became addicted to my medications, naturally, in a sense because I had had so many back to back surgeries.”

Sgt. Harris has presented at Texas Chiropractic Association’s events and will be at another TCA event in just a couple of weeks down in Austin that I’ll be at. I’m looking forward to hopefully meeting him myself. 

Resource #2

OK, next item: this one called “Evaluation of Postural Balance and Articular Mobility of the Lower Limbs in Chronic Neck Pain Patients by Means of Low-Cost Clinical Tests(Gomes P 2018)” It was authored Amy Pamela Karine Alvino Gomes, et al. and published in October of 2018 in the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics. 

Why They Did It

The purpose of this study was to correlate measurements of chronic neck pain with the balance and mobility of the lower limbs and to compare these variables between individuals with chronic neck pain and asymptomatic participants.

How They Did It

It was a blinded, cross-cross-sectional study

They had chronic neck pain patients as well as asymptomatic people. 

Outcome assessment tools were used to measure the difference in the groups. 

What They Found

“Young adults with chronic neck pain present changes in static balance measured by means of the Functional Reach Test; that is, the higher the intensity of pain, the lower the anteroposterior excursion of the body during the execution of the test.

This week, I want you to go forward with this: again, I’m all for religion. Ultimately, you do you. Just do it proudly, honestly, and genuinely. Always try to be someone your family can be proud of and be above reproach. 

I want you to know that Staff Sgt. Shilo Harris is awesome and he’s on our team so look him up and book him for your next association event or seminar or legislative effort. 

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The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient.

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

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Bibliography

Gomes P (2018). “Evaluation of Postural Balance and Articular Mobility of the Lower Limbs in Chronic Neck Pain Patients by Means of Low-Cost Clinical Tests.” Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics 41(8): 658-664.

LeBeau, K. (2018). https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Ohio-lawmakers-doctors-suggest-chiropractic-care-instead-of-opioids-477447883.html. WSAZ News Channel 3.

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CF 056: What Does A Spinal Manipulation Do In Medical Terms & What I Despise About My Profession

Today we’re going to talk about what a chiropractic spinal manipulation is, we’ll talk about what it does and what happens there. We’re also going to talk about what I sincerely despise about our great profession. Depending on how fired up I get here, this one should be a good episode.

CF 055: w/ Dr. James Lehman – The Future Of Chiropractic, Chiropractic Specialization, & Chiropractic Integration

CF 055: w/ Dr. James Lehman – The Future Of Chiropractic, Chiropractic Specialization, & Chiropractic Integration  

Today we’re going to talk to one of the giants in our profession, Dr. James Lehman. We will be talking to Dr. James Lehman all about all sorts of things but mostly about the future of chiropractic. What is it looking like for those of us in the profession over the course of the next 15-30 years?

Dr. James Lehman, FACO - University of Bridgeport Connecticut

But first, here’s that delicious bumper music

Integrating Chiropractors

 

OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  We will get to Dr. James Lehman soon. 

Introduction

You have fluttered into Episode #55 kind of like the feather on Forrest Gump. Come on, you know the feather from literally one of the best movies of all time. Yes, that feather. 

Diplomate of the Academy of Chiropractic Orthopedists

This is normally the point in the program where I mention the DACO program and how I am progressing through it but, for reasons that will become obvious fairly quickly, we are going to save that talk for just a little later in our program. 

However, I will tell you I have 80 online hours at this point and some of my more recent classes have been Why does my shoulder keep hurting and how to diagnose a tension-type headache. If you recall from a week or so ago, two classes on migraines were among the classes so, after this last week, I’m getting a handle on the headache mystery. 

I have just about completed all of the Diagnostic Drills. There are 40 of them and I’ve finished 39 of them. The last one is on ankle sprain and what we really need to know about them. Then, we move on to Communication Drills that reinforce these Diagnostic Drills and help you write to your colleagues in an effective and professional way to describe your findings. I’m looking forward to those!

Introduction of Dr. James Lehman

Now, let’s go ahead and get on with the reason we’re all here. Before we speak with Dr. James Lehman, I want to go through a little background information on him for you so you are well aware of who he is and where he is coming from. 

Dr. James Lehman is an Associate Professor of Clinical Sciences at the University of Bridgeport/College of Chiropractic and Director of Health Sciences Postgraduate Education (HSPED). 

Dr. James Lehman completed his MBA at the University of New Mexico and a doctorate in chiropractic medicine at the Logan College of Chiropractic in St. Louis, Missouri.

Dr. James Lehman is a board-certified, chiropractic orthopedist. He teaches orthopedic and neurological examination and differential diagnosis of neuromusculoskeletal conditions. In addition, he provides clinical rotations for fourth-year chiropractic students and chiropractic residents in the community health center and a sports medicine rotation in the training facility of the local professional baseball team. 

As Director, Dr. James Lehman developed the three-year, full-time resident training program in chiropractic orthopedics and neuromusculoskeletal medicine. The program offers training within primary care facilities of a Federally Qualified Health Center and Patient-Centered Medical Home. While practicing in New Mexico, he mentored fourth-year, UNM medical students. 

Welcome to the show Dr. James Lehman, it’s an honor to have you on the Chiropractic Forward Podcast this week. 

Questions for Dr. Lehman

How did the job at UofB become a reality for you? How did you make that happen or even make it a possibility?

Can you tell me about your position at UofB? 

What are your responsibilities? 

What does a regular day for you look like? 

Dr. Lehman and I became acquainted with each other through the DACO program. In case you have been hiding under a rock, zoning off during our podcasts, or maybe this is the very first podcast you’ve listened to of ours, DACO stands for Diplomate of American Chiropractic Orthopedists. 

What got you so interested in the Orthopedic side of our profession? 

What was it that made you want to specialize originally?

Can you tell us a little about your experience with chiropractic integration over the years? 

Have you had some battles to fight internally against medical practitioners?

What are some of the pitfalls and what are some of the rewards beyond seeing the patients recover?

Can you tell us about FQHCs? I had no idea they existed, especially in my city, until you showed me. Integrating into an FQHC was something that was never on my radar until we talked in Dallas.

At this point in our discussion, I need to tell you, the audience, that Dr. Lehman has played a vital role in furthering the DACO program. Through his position at the University of Bridgeport Connecticut, and through a partnership of sorts with online education through Chiropractic Development International out of Australia, obtaining the DACO has become very do-able and very attainable for all that may be so inclined. 

Dr. Lehman, can you tell us a little about how you and the University of Bridgeport got involved in the DACO and how it’s going so far? How did you identify the need and then go about filling that need?

Can you tell us why you feel like specialization like the DACO is so important to doctors of chiropractic these days? 

Why has this become your mission?

Through email, you suggested to me that, for the chiropractic profession to gain the respect of the healthcare system, a reasonable definition of chiropractic would be a good starting point. You offered a definition that doesn’t restrict providers nor does it highlight ‘subluxation.’ That definition is as follows:

“The evidence-based practice of differential diagnosis, patient-centered treatment, and prevention of pain and human disease as taught by CCE-approved chiropractic colleges, institutions, or schools.”

Tell me how you came up with this definition. 

Just to tell a quick personal experience, I have been introduced before by one neurosurgeon to another neurosurgeon using a disclaimer. He said, “He’s not one of THOSE chiropractors. He’s one of the good guys.” Which, I have to say that I appreciated the vote of confidence but at the same time it made me think, “With such a prevailing sentiment toward our profession, how will we ever integrate successfully or is it even possible?”

Do you think that even those of us that are specializing are going to be forever introduced with a disclaimer? I personally don’t see how a profession as split as ours progresses and integrates successfully. Is there a solution to this or are we just stuck with the split and the internal fighting?

With the knowledge that PTs are now utilizing spinal manipulative therapy, what do you feel is going to happen with our profession in the next 15-30 years?

In the two classes I’ve sat through with you as a speaker, you were adamant about Informed Consent. I read your paper on that topic after I got back from Dallas and thought it was pretty interesting. Informed Consent doesn’t sound like a particularly interesting or sexy topic to the general population so, would you mind telling us about that and what interested you enough in a topic like Informed Consent to actually publish a paper on it?

We covered the vast divide in our profession, what are some other big obstacles you see on the horizon for our profession right now?

In our private Chiropractic Forward Group, when we discussed you episode coming on the show, Dr. Brandon Steele said I need to ask you this question, “What can students do right now to prepare for current trends in Healthcare? Are there residencies, certifications, internships or other equivalents they should be considering going through to prepare for their future after graduation?”

Also in the private group, Dr. William Lawson, who has been a guest with us before, told me to ask you about rural healthcare centers and how a chiropractor can work in or own a rural healthcare center. 

 being with us and taking time out of your day. I really appreciate you and what you are doing for our profession. I don’t know where we would be without folks like you and others just like you. 

Integrating Chiropractors

 

The Message

I want you to know with absolute certainty that when Chiropractic is at its best, you can’t beat the risk vs reward ratio because spinal pain is primarily a movement-related pain and typically responds better to movement-related treatment instead of chemical treatments like pills and shots.

When compared to the traditional medical model, research and clinical experience show that many patients get good or excellent results through chiropractic for headaches, neck pain, back pain, joint pain, to name just a few.

Chiropractic care is safe and cost-effective. It can decrease instances of surgery & disability. Chiropractors normally do this through conservative, non-surgical means with minimal time requirements or hassle to the patient.

And, if the patient develops a “preventative” mindset going forward from initial recovery, chiropractors can likely keep it that way while raising the general, overall level of health of the patient!

Key Point:

Patients should have the guarantee of having the best treatment offering the least harm.

That’s Chiropractic!

Contact

Send us an email at dr dot williams at chiropracticforward.com and let us know what you think of our show or tell us your suggestions for future episodes. Feedback and constructive criticism is a blessing and so are subscribes and excellent reviews on iTunes and other podcast services. Y’all know how this works by now so help if you don’t mind taking a few seconds to do so.

Help us get to the top of podcasts in our industry. That’s how we get the message out.

Connect

We can’t wait to connect with you again next week. From the Chiropractic Forward Podcast flight deck, this is Dr. Jeff Williams saying upward, onward, and forward.

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CF 040: w/ Dr. Brandon Steele: Chiropractic Standardization & The Future of Chiropractic

w/ Dr. Brandon Steele: Chiropractic Standardization & The Future of Chiropractic

Today we’re going to talk with Dr. Brandon Steele about a lot of stuff but specifically, we’ll talk about Chiropractic standardization, educational advancement, and the future of chiropractic. Stick around for an awesome discussion with an extremely sharp doctor on the forefront of our profession.

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But first, here’s that bumper music

OK, we are back. Welcome to the podcast today, I’m Dr. Jeff Williams and I’m your host for the Chiropractic Forward podcast.  

Now that I have you here, I want to ask you to go to chiropracticforward.com and sign up for our newsletter. It makes it easier to let you know when the newest episode goes live and if we come up with something pretty cool we need to be telling you about. We won’t use it any more than once per week and that’s about all you need to know. It’s not as big of a deal as most of you have in your mind. Just go do it right now while you’re thinking about it. 

We continue to grow our listenership here. I’m a stats nerd. Trust me, I check them more than what one may consider a healthy amount of times. It’s just who I am. Thank you to you all for tuning in. 

If you can continue to share us with your network, we sure would appreciate it. 

We are honored to have you listening. Now, here we go with some vital information that we think can build confidence and improve your practice which will improve your life overall.

You have passed out and woke up right here in Episode #40

Welcome Dr. Brandon Steele

We have a special guest with us this week. As I said from the top we have Dr. Brandon Steele with us today. He is a very respected speaker and has the awesome chance to travel all over doing just that. 

I first became aware of Dr. Steele when I began taking courses in the DACO program. Dr. Steele is one of the instructors and I got to sit in a classroom for two days listening to him cover everything we needed to know about the shoulder. 

I also much have some full disclosure here I think. Dr. Steele is a co-owner of ChiroUp with Dr. Tim Bertlesman and I’m a user/subscriber of ChiroUp. But, ChiroUp isn’t sponsoring this episode. I haven’t received a thing from them. Not even a free membership. Cough cough… 

Seriously though, I’m having Dr. Steele on today because we think a lot alike from what I can tell, I love what they are doing with the DACO program, and I love where I think ChiroUp can help take our industry down the road in regards to Chiropractic standardization & the future of chiropractic. So, without further adieu…….

Questions for Dr. Brandon Steele

Welcome to the show Dr. Steele. Let’s start off with the obligatory question of, “What made you decide to be a chiropractor?”

In our discussion in Dallas, you told me that you’ve moved around a bit. Where are you from and what led you to St. Louis?

I have seen the terms evidence-based and evidence-informed used for what we do and must admit my ignorance of the subtle differences here. I have assumed that, since I follow research, guidelines, and things like that, that I am indeed what is referred to as an evidence-based chiropractor. Can we assume the same about you? 

When exactly did you decide to start traveling more in the direction of evidence and research rather than the philosophical route in the profession? Was there an aha moment?

Tell me a little bit about your hilarious alter-ego, the wide-lapeled chiropractic huckster we see you play in videos from time to time on the ChiroUp Facebook page. 

Part of the idea of being more into the research and being based or informed with the evidence, I think, is Chiropractic standardization…. to standardize our profession to some extent as well as increasing the level of education of the run of the mill chiropractor. We know we don’t have a low level of education at all so….can you go into that a little bit for us? What do you mean when you speak about Chiropractic standardization & the future of chiropractic?

Tell me everything about the DACO program. What got you involved with the DACO program originally?

Our regular listeners should be well-aware of you, Dr. Tim Bertlesman, and ChiroUp at this point. I’ve been pumping your tires for a bit. How did you and Dr. Bertlesman become acquainted with each other and then decide to go into business together?

Questions About ChiroUp, Chiropractic Standardization, and the Future of Chiropractic

Now, tell us a bit about ChiroUp. It feels like to me that it is really starting to hit its stride. I think ChiroUp is huge for Chiropractic standardization & the future of chiropractic.

Obviously, you want it to be successful for your own financial reasons….we all want to see our businesses to well….. but don’t you see something more than that for the profession coming out of ChiroUp? How do you think ChiroUp can affect or change our profession for the better in the years to come, for the future of chiropractic?

What is in the future for ChiroUp as far as updates, functionality…..things like that?

Questions About Dr. Steele’s Speaking Events

What are some of your upcoming speaking events so people can come to see you do your thing?

How can listeners find you on social media or on the internet and contact you or learn more about you and what you do?

So there you have it folks, Dr. Brandon Steele. There’s no doubt you loved this podcast episode as much as I did. The future is bright for Chiropractic standardization & the future of chiropractic.

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